Time for Iraq to Pay the Bill - Page 3 - Political Fever

Lumara · #21 (**permalink**) 08-14-2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Skerlnik

So, considering the actual objectives STILL haven't been met, the vaunted Surge was nothing more than a Wank.

...a fact which many of us recognized from Day One.

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Either we rape the country and grab all the oil, or we don't. Looks like we aren't getting a drop, despite all our efforts, so I declare Mission Failed, let's go home.

Well as GW said several years ago, the mission WAS accomplished. After all, that sorry puppet made it possible for Cheney's defense contractor buddies to make billions.

asterisk8008 · #22 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumara

Exactly!

And that was the whole point of this unjustified invasion - so American contractors could make money and have access to the oil fields.

and because of that....you called for Iraqi People to pay the "bill"

Lumara · #23 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008, 10:09 AM

The average American citizen shouldn't be held responsible for actions our rogue government did in violation of the peoples' will. We had no say in the matter and the majority of the citizenry was opposed to the invasion.

I know some will say that we elected the people who brought us into this war, but the majority voted for Al Gore before GW's first term, the term that started this war. And our election system is so rigged that it's difficult if not impossible to get people in office who will carry out the peoples' will instead of the will of the corporations who influence their votes through campaign contributuions, gifts, and promises of lucrative employment.

Reparations should be made by those companies that profited from this unjust invasion. Plus, if the Iraqi economy is doing great and our economy is tanking, I see no reason for Iraq to not help out its own people by using some of that money for reconstruction.

TheStripey1 · #24 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Lumara

You can read the entire piece at: Editorial - Time for Iraq to Pay the Bill - Editorial - NYTimes.com

I agree with this editorial. To those who say that we destroyed Iraq and should pay for its reconstruction, I remind them that we have already spent many billions. And I also want to use the analogy of 911: the vast majority of terrorists who destroyed the WTC and part of the pentagon were Saudis, yet I didn't see the Saudi government give us any money for reparations, and I didn't see any groups here demanding that they do so.

Since we have already spent so much in Iraq, and our economy is going down the tubes while Iraq's is flourishing, it's time to cut the apron strings and allow Iraq to either sink or swim on its own. There is no good reason to squander any more of our nation's resources there. We've done enough.

I agree with your agreement... it's long past time for us to get out of Iraq...

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Originally Posted by Michael

It is obscene for the Iraqi government to be putting oil revenue funds into their savings account when most of Iraq does not have adequate public utilities. Electricity is typically on a couple of hours a day in the early evening. Running water and drinking water are inadequate. Sewage and garbage removal is inadequate.

I am totally unimpressed while this low standard of living is maintained on the one hand while the government piles up tens of billions of dollars. And it is all because they are still bickering about how to share the revenues fairly between provinces.

points well taken Michael...

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Originally Posted by Condorman

Now they have the money to do it themselves, this is the perfect opportunity for us to leave. Why don't we take advantage of that?

because there are far too many people making billion$ for us to leave...

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Originally Posted by Lumara

...because too many people are making money off of our presence and our throwing money there. GRR.

Bingo... but uhhh, shouldn't GRR be my line?

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Originally Posted by diuretic

Tut tut. It's not a governmental thing. The US government is acting at the behest of oil companies. The costs are borne by the US taxpayer, the oil companies are laughing all the way to the bank.

sad but true... and you can bet your bottom dollar, not a single oil exec has a kid in the military...

Nicod3mus · #25 (**permalink**) 08-18-2008, 12:40 PM

$79 Billion Oil Surplus while we get stuck everyday....I don't think we can demand the Iraqis pay for something they have not supported for quite some time but at the same time something has to give and there is something wrong with this picture.

asterisk8008 · #26 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumara

The average American citizen shouldn't be held responsible for actions our rogue government did in violation of the peoples' will. We had no say in the matter and the majority of the citizenry was opposed to the invasion.

I know some will say that we elected the people who brought us into this war, but the majority voted for Al Gore before GW's first term, the term that started this war. And our election system is so rigged that it's difficult if not impossible to get people in office who will carry out the peoples' will instead of the will of the corporations who influence their votes through campaign contributuions, gifts, and promises of lucrative employment.

Oh come on....you think if Al-Gore was elected that war wouldn't have happened?!!!!

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Plus, if the Iraqi economy is doing great and our economy is tanking, I see no reason for Iraq to not help out its own people by using some of that money for reconstruction

In the name of 28 million Iraqi....I will make a deal with you
you can take 50% of the Iraqi oil profits in return you have to use the other 50% for reconstruction projects.......how that sounds?

Michael · #27 (**permalink**) 08-19-2008, 06:34 AM

If Al Gore was elected, the Republican neo cons would not be in the white house to hijack the original mission to go after Osama and the Al Qaeda leadership. So yes, we probably would have invaded Afghanistan, but we wouldn't have invaded Iraq. That invasion is directly linked to Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolfowitz, Feith, Kagan, Kristol, etc...

Recusant · #28 (**permalink**) 08-23-2008, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Lumara

The average American citizen shouldn't be held responsible for actions our rogue government did in violation of the peoples' will. We had no say in the matter and the majority of the citizenry was opposed to the invasion.

Reparations should be made by those companies that profited from this unjust invasion. Plus, if the Iraqi economy is doing great and our economy is tanking, I see no reason for Iraq to not help out its own people by using some of that money for reconstruction.

I agree it's a simplistic argument. Al Qaeda should only target Bush voters

America has never, in my knowledge, paid reparations. America sends "aid" which gets used to prop up people/organisations that suit America's agenda (and some food/medicine with what's left). So don't hold your breath

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