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Old 06-25-2008, 07:32 PM
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The Iranians are not the aggressive party. America and Israel are the aggressors in this instance.
The kindest possible interpretation of those words is that they are hugely disingenuous. Iran, after all, is murdering Americans in Iraq through their proxies there; and it is feverishly working to develop a nuclear weapon for no legitimate, defensive purpose. Post-Khomeinist Iran is an aggressor state, no less than Third Reich Germany in 1939 was.

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Iran have a modern army, they have a tough terrain and they have a very determined populace. They will not be defeated easily.
Since no serious person believes that either the US or Israel will send ground troops into Iran, it is very hard to see just what impact Iran's "modern army" and "tough terrain" might have--or its "very determined populace" either, for that matter. (Bombs tend to be impervious to all of these considerations.)
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The Iranians are not the aggressive party. America and Israel are the aggressors in this instance. Iran have a modern army, they have a tough terrain and they have a very determined populace. They will not be defeated easily.
It isnt just the US and Israel. Britain, Germany, Italy, Saudi Arabia, and most of the Middle East countries would like to see Ahminid gone, along with his "peaceful" nuclear power. If a conflict errupts, Israel will have the covert support of many countries, not just the US.
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Old 06-25-2008, 10:44 PM
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The world is against them ? Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria aren't. I am sure there will be more states that i am not aware of.
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The world is against them ? Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba and Syria aren't. I am sure there will be more states that i am not aware of.
Russia and China will always line up against the US no matter what. Russia is trying to put itself in a leadership role, and boost its influence in the world.
Venezuela? Cuba? Syria? not exactly international powers. Why not include Chad?
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I would very much like to think that the US might hit Iran soon for both (a) Iran's continuing murder--yes, murder, not the morally defensible killing in combat--of American servicepeople in Iraq; and (b) its nascent nuclear program, with which (once it comes to fruition) Iran would be free to annihilate Israel and intimidate and blackmail the rest of the West. Sadly, however, it is not about to happen, as it would surely inflame public passions against the Republican presidential candidate (John McCain) and Republican senators and congresspeople up for re-election in November, as well as GOP challengers.

It is, of course, theoretically possible that President Bush could retalliate against an out-of-control Iran in the two-and-a-half months between the November elections and his January departure from office. But that seems to me very unlikely, as the State Department types--the "multilateralists" and Euro-pacifist wannabes--have clearly gained the upper hand in President Bush's second term.

I do, however, think it is likely that Israel will strike Iran's known and suspected nuclear facilities before the end of 2008--either with tactical nuclear weapons (the Western taboo against their first use notwithstanding), bunker-buster bombs, or a combination of both--depending upon what the military people in Israel may consider most effective. And I would heartily support such a strike, irrespective of its immediate upshot.
Iran is not stupid. The only way to absolutely guarantee a nuclear attack on Tehran would be to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon.

Never going to happen.

Also, the best way to stop them from "murdering" (not sure where you draw the difference between a legitimate killing of a combat troop and an illegitimate killing of a combat troop) US soldiers is to take US soldiers out of the fray.
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Iran is not stupid. The only way to absolutely guarantee a nuclear attack on Tehran would be to attack Israel with a nuclear weapon.

Never going to happen.

Also, the best way to stop them from "murdering" (not sure where you draw the difference between a legitimate killing of a combat troop and an illegitimate killing of a combat troop) US soldiers is to take US soldiers out of the fray.
Iran has no legitimate basis for killing US soldiers in ANOTHER COUNTRY! For Iran to do so is a de facto declaration of war against the United States.
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Iran has no legitimate basis for killing US soldiers in ANOTHER COUNTRY! For Iran to do so is a de facto declaration of war against the United States.
The US has no legitimate basis for being in Iraq either.
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The US has no legitimate basis for being in Iraq either.
Does that justify Iran's threatening rhetoric, it's support for terrorism in the region and its interference in Iraq?
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Does that justify Iran's threatening rhetoric, it's support for terrorism in the region and its interference in Iraq?
Nope. But it makes illegitimate any complaints about that from people who support the presence of US troops anywhere in the Middle East.
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Nope. But it makes illegitimate any complaints about that from people who support the presence of US troops anywhere in the Middle East.
No, it doesn't.
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