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Old 06-20-2008, 03:24 PM
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Because our goal was to impliment a democracy there, with Iran, we won't have that goal, only destroying their military power and nuclear weapons. I can see that if the US goes alone, Russia will get involved, but if the UN goes with a large coallition, then Russia will likely just verbally protest. Because if they actually fight and kill UN members, that will draw violence against Russia on multiple fronts. A quick strike would end Iran's military and then it would just be Russia (and possibly China) fighting on multiple fronts (basically another world war with millions of deaths). Russia may believe that Iran has a right to have nuclear weapons, but I doubt that they will fight for that.

No, that was reason numero four or five... the reason we INITIALLY invaded Iraq was to rid the country of it's WMD... we knew they had them because we gave it to them to fight Iran back in the 80s... a few years after Saddam nationalized their oil in 1972...

remember OE? we backed Iraq against Iran during their 8 year war in the 80s... then invaded in the 90s and again in this century and now...

surprize surprize surprize, the oil companies have their hands on allllll that Iraqi oil again...

Mission Accomplished...


long term is the best way cuz no one notices it...
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Israel also has nuclear weapons which is probably why the arab nations want them too...
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How'd that mighty army of Israel do last year when they invaded Lebanon after bombing it's infrastructure from the air for days?
That's what happens when you move in to occupy, which is why we wouldn't occupy Iran, should things escalate.
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No, that was reason numero four or five... the reason we INITIALLY invaded Iraq was to rid the country of it's WMD... we knew they had them because we gave it to them to fight Iran back in the 80s... a few years after Saddam nationalized their oil in 1972...

remember OE? we backed Iraq against Iran during their 8 year war in the 80s... then invaded in the 90s and again in this century and now...

surprize surprize surprize, the oil companies have their hands on allllll that Iraqi oil again...

Mission Accomplished...


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You're right, I should have said, that is the reason that we've stayed for so long, it's not the reason that we first went in.

I remember well about the WMDs and I foolishly believed that they were really there, because of the reason that you pointed out, we sold them to him back in the 80's in the Iraq/Iran war.
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Strawman. It doesn't matter what I personally do, I'm not advocating a war, I'm merely pointing out how our military would handle it. And if you must know, my past record with military recruiters is...they turned me down. I went once they said no, why should I go again?

They turned you down? why? a smart kid like yourself... all fired up to help win the war on terra... you're a natural...

so without any military experience whatsoever, you're telling everyone how our military will "handle it"???



riiiiiiiight...

hey... I bet if you tried the army now, they'd take you in a heartbeat... hell, they take men aged 42 nowdays... I'm sure they'd love a 20 year old like you...

but here... I gotchur strawman, too...



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They turned you down? why? a smart kid like yourself... all fired up to help win the war on terra... you're a natural...

so without any military experience whatsoever, you're telling everyone how our military will "handle it"???



riiiiiiiight...
Actually, I've aways wanted to be a fighter pilot, went through the entire Avaition Challange program (which is several years), where we learned a lot of information on all the different types planes, military and commercial. We learned how to fly and even got to do it in real planes (okay, old prop planes like crop dusters, but it was still flying and being behind the controls), we had simulators (actual ones, not just video games) where I won the top gun award for my team twice. I've also studied most of the US wars (with emphasis on WW2), part of the thing of falling asleep to the history channel every night when their night programs are things like Mail Call and famous dog fights and other educational military style shows.

You don't have to be a member of the military to know that ours has a massive technological advantage. Nor do you have to be a part of the military to know what the best path to go about victory would be and to make a logical prediction of the outcome.

BTW, I'm colorblind so I can't fly for the AF, or even get a private pilots license.

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hey... I bet if you tried the army now, they'd take you in a heartbeat... hell, they take men aged 42 nowdays... I'm sure they'd love a 20 year old like you...
I bet they would, but I want to fly, and since I know that they will never let me, there's no point in me trying.
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So?



shakes head... uh huh... that's what the neo-cons thought about Iraq too... it would be a cakewalk...

I got your cake for you, Bourne...

You might recall that the initial Iraq invasion was a "cake walk." The occupation is when problems developed. Not so with a pre-emptive strike against Iran where our only goal is to wipe out their nuclear capability.
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Don't forget the chinese... and the indians... and the pakistanis... and the venezuleans...
Possibly, if either of the first three decided to step up there would be no war, but i don't think the US would bother all that much about Venezuela. The most likely would be the Chinese because I think Pakistan and India would not want to take the risk.
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You're right, I should have said, that is the reason that we've stayed for so long, it's not the reason that we first went in.

I remember well about the WMDs and I foolishly believed that they were really there, because of the reason that you pointed out, we sold them to him back in the 80's in the Iraq/Iran war.

Actually that was Germany. There were two private firms that illegally sold chemicals to Iraq prior to the war, but besides that no gas or chemical weaponry was legally sent to Iraq from the US. The US did assist Iraq at the time because it was against a common enemy, but its aid militarily to Iraq was much less than other nations. Beleive it or not, Russia sold 60% of foreign weaponry to Iraq over the Cold War years, despite the fact that Russia ended up backing Iran and the US backed Iraq.
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Actually that was Germany. There were two private firms that illegally sold chemicals to Iraq prior to the war, but besides that no gas or chemical weaponry was legally sent to Iraq from the US. The US did assist Iraq at the time because it was against a common enemy, but its aid militarily to Iraq was much less than other nations. Beleive it or not, Russia sold 60% of foreign weaponry to Iraq over the Cold War years, despite the fact that Russia ended up backing Iran and the US backed Iraq.
We as good as sold it, we provided them with $5 billion in unreported loans that they used to by the chemicals, we also provided them with the proper intel to store and use mustard gas.
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Iran is sitting in a very dangerous place. Because it has threatened Israels destruction repeatedly, Israel has no choice but to strike. Who will help Iran?
Russia? Russia is a paper tiger. Israel could handle Russia in a day.
Alongside of Israel, beside the US, Saudi Arabia, Britain, Germany, France, Italy, and most of the Middle Eastern countries. They would not lend outward support, but you can be sure they would be providing it secretly.
Iran has sealed its own death warrant. When Israel strikes, it will not only devestate its nuclear capability, but its infrastructure. In effect, it will send Iran into the past century. I cannot see them leaving any infrastructure untouched. ..they certainly would be stupid if they did.
There will be no troops; no tank battles; no occupation. Just a decisive blow that will send Iran and its people back to the stone age...so they wont threaten anyone for the next 20 years. Ahminejad will be cooking his meals over wood and matches...and his people will suffer for it. But who really cares anyway?
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