Murat Kurnaz (former Guantanamo German detainee) explains: I saw children overthere, 9 years old, 12 years old, and many kids were 14.... and they got torchered the same way, they got beaten up... and they had to live in small cages for many years...

Source - RussiaToday : News : U.S. held hundreds of children in Iraq: Russia’s UN ambassador




Murat Kurnaz


Murat Kurnaz (born March 19, 1982 in Bremen, Germany) was held in extrajudicial detention and claims to have been at the U.S. military base in Kandahar, Afghanistan and in the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, Cuba for four years.
Kurnaz, a Turkish citizen and legal resident of Germany, was in the process of becoming a German citizen when he was arrested in Pakistan in late 2001. His detainee ID number was 053. After being imprisoned for five years he was released and arrived in Germany August 24, 2006.On May 20, 2008 Kurnaz became the first former Guantanamo detainee to testify before the U.S. Congress, which he did from Germany via videolink.

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Guantànamo detainee Murat Kurnaz released
Posted: December 1, 2006


On August 24, 2006, Murat Kurnaz was released from Guantánamo Bay and allowed to return home to Germany. Held for over four years, he had only ever been allowed to have contact with his loved ones through letters.
Like many others at Guantánamo, Kurnaz was detained despite little evidence to link him to “terrorist” activities. Both US and German intelligence services had acknowledged this, yet it took years to win his release.

Good News | Guantànamo detainee Murat Kurnaz released

NGOA: We already know this information on Murat Kurnaz. I have posted it, and then some. We know what he alleges, and that has been addressed in my previous post. Do you care to comment on what I have posted, or are you avoiding my comments?

If you need to refer to my previous comments take a look at post #8. I will repost them for you:

It seems that the person making these accusations, Murat Kurnaz, is a former Gitmo detainee. Yes, it seems he was innocent and should have not been detained. But this fact is independent of the accusations he is making. Here are his words from the video:

"The worst thing that I saw...I saw children over there...9 years old, 12 years old...and many kids who were 14. They got tortured in the same way...they got beaten up and they had to live in small cages for many years."

Anyone can see that he has a major grudge with the US government, and that is understandable. It is obvious that this is his attempt to vilify US Military, coming from someone with an agenda.

And why is this the first time he has ever mentioned children being held at Gitmo? Once again, the allegations seem to coincide with his book release. Simple propaganda IMO. If you read about him you will notice that there is NO mention of children detainees, or reference to children being tortured at any time prior to these allegations.

Murat Kurnaz
MotherJones Blog: Murat Kurnaz Details His Plight Before House Subcommittee
Murat Kurnaz has been released from Guantánamo! | Amnesty International

Here is a 60 Minutes interview with him, and NOWHERE is his interview does he mention children being held captive at Gitmo.

Murat Kurnaz - Mahalo

In the OP's video link he stated that that the children being beaten was "The worst thing that he saw". If so, why never mention it until now? I empathize with what he went through at Gitmo, but it is no reason to play the "child card" in an attempt to promote his book.

Russia's ambassador stated the following:

"900 youngsters have been held in coalition prisons in Iraq."

First off, where does he get these numbers?? From a former detainee that is promoting his book? If not from him, then from where. Sounds like propaganda to me.

exactly

see AmericanDreamer and Oregan Elephants comments

Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations



Postal Address: 136 East 67 Street, New York, N.Y. 10021
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Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN

VITALY CHURKIN



Born February 21, 1952 in Moscow.

1974 - graduated from the Moscow Institute for Foreign Affairs
1981 - PhD in history from the USSR Diplomatic Academy

1974 - joined the USSR Foreign Ministry
1974-79 - staff member of the USSR delegation to the Strategic Arms Limitation Talks
1979-82 - third secretary, US desk, USSR Foreign Ministry
1982-87 - second, first secretary, USSR Embassy in Washington DC
1987-89 - staff member, International Department, CPSU Central Committee
1989-90 - special adviser to the USSR Minister of Foreign Affairs
1990-91 - Director, Information Department, Spokesman of the USSR Foreign Ministry
1992-94 - Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation, Special Representative of the President of the Russian Federation to the talks on Former Yugoslavia
1994-98 - Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Belgium, Liaison Ambassador to NATO and WEU
1998-2003 - Ambassador of the Russian Federation to Canada
2003 - April 2006 - Ambassador at Large, MFA, Chairman of Senior Arctic Officials, Arctic Council, Senior Official of Russia at the Barents/Euro-Arctic Council

April 8, 2006 - Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, Representative of the Russian Federation at the UN Security Council Diplomatic rank - Ambassador Extraordinary and Plenipotentiary (1990)

Permanent Mission of the Russian Federation to the United Nations (Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the UN)

Murat Kurnaz's allegations are false and I proved that in my previous post. Since Vitaly Churkin is basing his allegations on Murat Kurnaz's false allegations, this shows that Vitaly Churkin has not proven to be credible. Where does Russia’s UN ambassador Vitaly Churkin get his information from if not from Murat Kurnaz? And since I have shown Murat Kurnaz's allegations concerning the children to be false, the Russian Ambassador is only spewing propaganda.

Care to respond?

So, moderator dc2ga, I assume you've got the point. Correct?
If you have ANY questions, dc2ga, please, address them directly to Mr. VITALY CHURKIN at:

136 East 67 Street, New York, N.Y. 10021
Phone: (212) 861-4900; 861-4901; 861-4902, Fax: (212) 628-0252

Of course you don't respond to the comments.

YOU HAVE NO RESPONSE, ONLY PROPAGANDA.

You actually do not represent what Russia is all about. You're not even Russian I suspect. It seems that all you want to do with these threads is just spread your "hate America" propaganda for some reason that we'll never know.

RULE #2. No trolling. Trolling is posting unsubstantiated claims repeatedly and flooding a forum. For example, if someone posts five “The US Sucks” threads and then just posts about how much it sucks with no information to back up the claim, it will be considered trolling, while if they back up the claim that the US sucks with supporting evidence, it will be allowed.

LMFAO. Perhaps we should start some threads about what Mother Russia did in Chechnya?

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Now why do you have to bring Russia's mother into this thread? Those are fightin' words :azn: