http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/...ear/index.html

I found this interesting because of the timing for the release of this information and the possible affect on the pres. nominations and pres Bush's plans to attack Iran.

It potentially cools down the debate on the Middle East (for the moment) , and GW will have to produce new intelligence that passes muster if he expects to bomb Iran. I wonder who chose to release this at this time? and why?

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first of all its from CNN with a known bias. secondly, how do we really know this? i no more believe a word iran or its leader says that i can fly to mars

this comeing from a man that openly denies that the haulocost happened. i wouldn't believe a thing that man said if you paid me to.

It was an NIE. The President and the Administration can delay them and try to keep them quiet, but they are released as public information to Congress.

Sure makes it look like President Bush has been 'crying wolf' about Iran.

i disagree - i am not sure he has been crying wolf. for one thing, regarding iraq and WMD - iraq DID in fact have them. how do we know this? because saddam used WMD against his OWN COUNTRY. so iraq wasnt suspected of having them, it did. now suppose you have a 2 liter bottle of gas or whatnot. how easy do you think it is to hide something like that in a country the size of CA. pretty easy

iran - has admitted it wants and is working on WMD and nukes. i do not believe they have given that up. they are trying to influence the international community for sympathy, while lying through their teeth

Iran appears to be making the stuff for it. So all that is needed is to load it on a rocket(I know theres more to it) but this guy running iran is fairly serious as what he means. But hey believe him over the US. I'm tired of hearing how Bush is all bad and thugs like islam and Iran are good. BS, Bush has brought more freedom at a faster rate and more hope than any man the last 500 years. Yes including Reagan, I may not agree at the ways he is doing it. But he believes in good and I believe there is more then just screwing and eating and dieing to live for.

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I'm not sure where you get your facts from? Maybe you could supply a link?
For one thing, they're all false.

He did not have the WMD that we originally invaded the country over. The WMD we were supposedly going to find were on a nuclear scale.

Remember Condi's famous little line?
"But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud."


Then, a few years after the invasion, retard #1 (Rick Santorum) and retard #2 (Peter Hoekstra ), held a press conference in Congress stating that the US military had discovered WMD in Iraq. Needless to say, the claims were instantly dismissed by the US Defense Department. The supposed "WMD" that were found were nothing more then small scattered bunkers in the dessert holding degraded canisters of gasses used in the early 1980's Iran/Iraq War. The Defense Department concluded that it was likely Saddam didn't even know these degraded canisters (they don't work anymore) even existed.

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/06/21/...vows-santorum/

http://mediamatters.org/items/200606230008

It appears you may be watching to much Fox News. Because everyone else, including the government, dismissed the story.

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Yes, the old "WMD" rhetorical switch trick. President Bush used it to great effect back in 2002 - managed to swindle the country into a quagmire of a war playing that same rhetorical game.

We are discussing NUKES here in Iran. Please be specific. The term "WMD" is used to hide from that and include any category of chemical weapon.

Yes Saddam used chemical weapons in the 1980's. Using the term "WMD" can conveniently turn that into a nuke for public-media purposes (and back to a chemical weapon if one is seriously challenged and has to back up the words).

You apparently seek to play the same game with Iran. The whole issue with Iran is all about NUKE weapons. President Bush speaks of NUKE bombs and NUKE missiles in Iran. The NIE addresses Iran's NUKE capabilities.

If you are talking about chem-weapons, call them chem-weapons. If you are talking about nukes, call them nukes. But don't shovel "WMD" bull**************** spin at me.

Forgive me if I consider your subjective speculations to be somewhat less relevant to the topic than the actual content of the NIE.

Btw, it just occurs to me that the "dc2ga" username is vaguely familiar from one of my many forum memberships. I'm not sure which board though.

well i am an getting sick and tired of the US bashing, Iran/Iraq is right crapola being spouted here. as well as people saying you are wrong but are really clueless.

you think iran isnt trying to get nukes? fine. that is your opinion. just because my opinion is different does not mean i am wrong.

and what does fox news have to do with anything> i lived in washington dc for 13 years. i was there for the attacks. i heard more than you can imagine on the local stations, washington post, washington times, etc

i am not hiding from anything. i could care less whether you think WMD is a way to avoid the nuke issue. no there were none found in iraq. does that mean they dont exist

of course not. it means there werent found.

iran has admitted it wants nukes. it has said it is trying to develop them. if you truly believe they are no longer trying, then their leader has done his job and lied his way out

They very well may have started the program back up in secret, but the burden of proof will be higher and tougher this tiime around for Bush because of those facts and also the Iraqi debacle.

You can't play fast and loose with the facts on an international stage.

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