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Old 12-01-2007, 04:20 PM
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GERMANY HARPS ON COMMUNIST CRIMES TO HUSH UP NAZI ATROCITIES, SAYS WAR VETERAN

BERLIN, /From RIA Novosti's Alexander Polotsky/ - Nazi war with the Soviet Union was a criminal warfare since the day it broke out, Professor Gerhard Daengler, 87, World War II veteran, said to RIA Novosti.

He was taking part in the Battle of Stalingrad as artillery captain.

As Professor Daengler sees it, today's German rulers refer more willingly to the Berlin Wall and other crimes of East Germany than to SS and Wehrmacht atrocities in occupied Russian, Belarussian and Ukrainian areas.

"I remember all too well an order read in front of the ranks in June 1941. It doomed every Soviet military officer and political propagandist POW to be shot on the spot." Not Hitler nor Himmler had signed the order but Wehrmacht commanders, who did not acknowledge ever after that army units were involved on a par with the SS in incredible atrocities in the occupied part of the then Soviet Union.

"I parted ways with Hitler in the blood-stained snow of Stalingrad," says Herr Daengler. He had been previously engaged in fighting in France, Poland and the Battle of Moscow, in which "we beat a retreat to abandon our cannon stuck in the sleet." Captain Daengler was wounded several times before the Battle of Stalingrad.

He was with the 6th Army, under Colonel General von Paulus' command, when it was encircled in winter between Kalach on the Don and Stalingrad on the Volga. He saw his soldiers go mad with hunger, cold and despair. Many soldiers did not flinch from cannibalism to roast liver and kidneys they slashed out of their dead comrades' bodies after they ate all cats and dogs in the area.

"We shall not surrender for high strategic reasons, but the initiative has now passed into junior officers' hands," Captain Daengler heard General von Paulus say a mere three days before the Fuehrer promoted him to Field Marshal.

The captain got the message, and led his unit to surrender to Russian soldiers.

He will never forget Dr. Vassilevskaya, who treated him in the Russian POW camp--a Jewish woman whose family perished by the German firing squad in Kiev before her eyes. After they died, a soldier pierced her arm with a bayonet, and the limb had to be amputated.

All of his surviving comrades-in-arms remember him, and write him letters opening with an address, "Dear Herr Professor Captain Daengler."

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Operation Barbarossa (German: Unternehmen Barbarossa) was the codename for Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union during World War II that commenced on June 22, 1941. It was the largest invasion in written history. The operation was named after the Emperor Frederick Barbarossa of the Holy Roman Empire, a leader of the Crusades in the 12th century. It is not to be confused with the war on the Eastern Front in its entirety.

The operational goal of Operation Barbarossa was the rapid conquest of the European part of the Soviet Union, west of a line connecting the cities of Arkhangelsk and Astrakhan, often referred to as the A-A line (see the translation of Hitler's directive for details). At its conclusion in December 1941, the Red Army had repelled the strongest blow of the Wehrmacht. Hitler had not achieved the victory he had expected, but the situation of the Soviet Union remained critical. Tactically the Germans had won some resounding victories and occupied some of the most important economical areas of the country, most notably in the Ukraine. Despite these successes, the Germans were pushed back from Moscow and were not able to mount an offensive simultaneously along the entire strategic Soviet-German front again.


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June 22, 1941

Operation BARBAROSSA begins.

Over 3 million German soldiers and 3300 tanks cross the Russian border. The Wehrmarcht (German Army) is organized into three Army Groups.

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"Russians must die to let us live" (a fascist wrote on a school blackboard on October 2, 1941)

There were many ratified documents of the plan "OST", but the most forthright remarks were made by the head of the Number One Colonization Department of the central political administration of the ministry of the occupied eastern territories affairs of Wetzel. In conformity with that plan, 25% of Belorussians were supposed to be Germanized, if they perfectly corresponded to the racial characteristics, and the remaining 75% were supposed to be killed.

In conformity with such documents like the plan "OST", "Area regulations (supplement to the directive No. 21 or the "Barbarossa" plan) which appeared on March 13, 1941, or "About the military jurisdiction within the frame of the "Barbarossa" plan and about particular power of troops" which was published on May 13, 1941, or "Twelve precepts for Germans in the east and their treatment of Russians" of June 1, 1941 and others, fascist soldiers were not responsible for any crimes or atrocities committed on the occupied territory. Moreover, mass outrage of fascists was legally justified because it was made the policy of the state.


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It's always easier to talk about crimes that might have been forced on you by an outside power than to deal with a demon like Hitler who's completely home-grown.
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It's always easier to talk about crimes that might have been forced on you by an outside power than to deal with a demon like Hitler who's completely home-grown.
Hello, George A Peterson.

I am not quite sure what your point is... We DID deal with Hitler.
The USSR won the war. Didn't you know that?...




Soviet Union soldiers Raqymzhan Qoshqarbaev, and Georgij Bulatov raising the flag on the roof of Reichstag building in Berlin, Germany in May, 1945. The photograph was taken by Yevgeny Khaldei.


1941. Minsk. USSR.
Russian youth hanged by the Germans.




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"We must exterminate population. It is our mission if we want to protect Germans. I have the right to annihilate millions of people of the lowest race who reproduce like worms..." Hitler used to announce.

On March 30, 1941 during the Wehrmacht high command meeting Hitler pointed at the fact that the war against the Soviet Union would be a "war of annihilation", that this war "will differ considerably from the war in the West. In the East cruelty is too mellow for the future". In conformity with the plan "OST", 120 - 140 million people were supposed to be annihilated in the Soviet Union and in Poland.


There were many ratified documents of the plan "OST", but the most forthright remarks were made by the head of the Number One Colonization Department of the central political administration of the ministry of the occupied eastern territories affairs of Wetzel. In conformity with that plan, 25% of Belorussians were supposed to be Germanized, if they perfectly corresponded to the racial characteristics, and the remaining 75% were supposed to be killed.


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The USSR won the war.
Don't forget about the rest of the Allies...it wasn't just the USSR.
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I believe the American commanders allowed the Russian Army the chance to do in Berlin. Poor civilians that suffered in the process. Slave labor built Russia and not one person counts even today unless they have friend in high places.
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I believe the American commanders allowed the Russian Army the chance to do in Berlin.
History is based on FACTS and not beliefs. And what do you mean by "allow"?
The Soviet Union wasn't asking for permition.

Learn the history of the WWII, mlurp.


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1941 - 1944. Belarus. USSR.
German soldiers took pictures 'for a keepsake' made against a background of their victims.

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I think he means the Americans allowed the Russians to kinda abuse the people of Berlin during WW2. BTW, are you russian, alaska?
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Recent history is definately NOT based on facts. It's based on opinions and views of peoples who won the war. Those who lost it died.

There is a very high percentage of documents pertaining to that era that are still classified and until those are released, all we hear are opinions and hearsay.

And you are doing the same thing by pointing out how evil the "Evil Nazis" were while totally forgetting some atrocities that the allies did, but then again they won the war... they get to write history.

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And you are doing the same thing by pointing out how evil the "Evil Nazis" were while totally forgetting some atrocities that the allies did, but then again they won the way... they get to write history.
This is definitely true.

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the Soviets soon proved as hostile and destructive towards the Polish people and their culture as the Nazis.[30][31] They began confiscating, nationalising and redistributing all private and state-owned Polish property.[32] During the two years following the annexation, they arrested approximately 100,000 Polish citizens [33] and deported between 350,000 and 1,500,000, of whom between 250,000 and 1,000,000 died, mostly civilians.[b][34]
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The Soviets arrested and imprisoned about 500,000 Poles during 1939-1941, including former officials, officers, and natural "enemies of the people," like the clergy. This was about one in ten of all adult males. The Soviets also executed about 65,000 Poles.
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