Saying "Christmas" - Page 2 - Political Fever

Talismen · #11 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by micfranklin

Whatever they wanna say is fine with me, just don't force everyone to say something because X number of people don't like it.

This is how I feel about it.

Usually - whatever someone says to me, is what I will say in reply. If they say "Happy Holidays" then that is what I will say back to them. If they say "Merry Christmas" then that's what I say...etc etc etc.

Lumara · #12 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 02:11 PM

If someone wants to say "Merry Christmas," there's nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to say "Happy Holidays," there's nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to say, "Happy Soltice" there's nothing wrong with that. If someone wants to say...you get the idea! Enjoy the holidays by whatever name you want to use!

#13 (**permalink**) 11-21-2007, 05:02 PM

PC is BS period.. say what you want and leave me the hell alone about it!

WindyCity · #14 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 11:34 AM

I don't steal posts from other sites, but since it IS my own post, I'll put it here too!

I work for a company that is predominantly Jewish. I personally have no problem calling these the "Holidays". Although the event that is commemorated by Hanukkah occurred less than 200 years before Jesus was born, there is a chance even He might have celebrated the "Festival of Lights."

So to those who I know are Jewish, I wish them Happy Hanukkah.

To those who I know are Christian, I wish them a Merry Christmas.

To those who I know who are not religiously affiliated, I still wish them a Merry Christmas, because that is what I celebrate.

To those who I don't know but have to deal with in the business world, I wish them Happy Holidays.

Now for the addition to that post...

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The actual Christian holy-day of Christmas of course was never listed as even a significant feast-day on any historical religious calendars before the 19th century. Celebration of Christmas pretty much begins in 19th century Victorian England (centered around the fat-guy with the white beard, though his suit was blue back then).

Ah contraire Pierre.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

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The date at which the year commenced varied at different periods and in different countries. When Julius Caesar reformed the calendar (45 B.C.) he fixed 1 January as New Year's Day, a character which it seems never quite to have lost, even among those who for civil and legal purposes chose another starting point. The most common of such starting points were 25 March (Feast of the Annunciation, "Style of the Incarnation") and 25 December (Christmas Day, "Style of the Nativity"). In England before the Norman Conquest (1066) the year began either on 25 March or 25 December; from 1087 to 1155 on 1 January; and from 1155 till the reform of the calendar in 1752 on 25 March, so that 24 March was the last day of one year, and 25 March the first day of the next. But though the legal year was thus reckoned, it is clear that 1 January was commonly spoken of as New Year's Day. In Scotland, from 1 January, 1600, the beginning of the year was reckoned from that day. In France the year was variously reckoned: from Christmas Day, from Easter eve, or from 25 March. Of all starting points a movable feast like Easter is obviously the worst. From 1564 the year was reckoned in France from 1 January to 31 December. In Germany the reckoning was anciently from Christmas, but in 1544 and onwards, from 1 January to 31 December. In Rome and a great part of Italy, it was from 25 December, until Pope Gregory XIII reformed the calendar (1582) and fixed 1 January as the first day of the year. The years, however, according to which papal Bulls are dated still commence with Christmas Day. Spain, with Portugal and Southern France, observed an era of its own long after the rest of Christendom had adopted that of Dionysius. This era of Spain or of the Cæsars, commenced with 1 January, 38 B.C., and remained in force in the Kingdom of Castile and Leon till A.D. 1383, when a royal edict commanded the substitution of the Christian Era. In Portugal the change was not made till 1422. No satisfactory explanation has been found of the date from which this era started.

More HERE. Don't blame me if your puter blanks out when you click it.

OK, so you say, pshaw, of course those Catholics will write their own history! So, from a source I don't like because of the populist nature of how it is formed, the new classic, Wiki pedia:

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In the Middle Ages in Europe a number of significant feast days in the ecclesiastical calendar of the Roman Catholic Church came to be used as the beginning of the Julian year:

* In Christmas Style dating the new year started on 25 December. This was used in Germany and England until the thirteenth century, and in Spain from the fourteenth to the sixteenth century.

* In Annunciation Style dating the new year started on 25 March, the feast of the Annunciation. This was used in many parts of Europe in the Middle Ages, and was the style introduced by Dionysius Exiguus in AD 525. Annunciation Style continued to be used in the Kingdom of Great Britain until January 1, 1752, except Scotland which changed to Circumcision Style dating on 1 January 1600. The rest of Great Britain changed to Circumcision Style on the 1 January preceding the conversion in Great Britain from the Julian calendar to the Gregorian calendar on 3/14 September 1752. The UK tax year still starts on 6 April which is 25 March + 12 days, eleven for the conversion from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar plus a dropped leap day in 1900.

* In Easter Style dating, the new year started on Easter Saturday (or sometimes on Good Friday). This was used in France from the eleventh to the sixteenth century. A disadvantage of this system was that because Easter was a movable feast the same date could occur twice in a year; the two occurrences were distinguished as "before Easter" and "after Easter".

* In Circumcision Style dating, the new year started on 1 January, the Feast of the Circumcision (of Jesus).

Again, more HERE.

And based on that last line, and the Jewish tradition of circumcision occurring on the 8th day, that would back down to...

Jan 1=8th day
Dec 31= 7th day
...
Dec 26th =2nd day
Dec 25th = Birthday!

As for Santa Claus and the "paganism" of that, go HERE

"He's makin a list, he's checkin it twice, gonna find out...."

#15 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustin

I find this a ridiclous argument personally, but do you think people should say "happy holidays" instead of merry christmas? I just think people are to politically correct.

This is just a part of the plan to destroy the USA.
It is not "politically correct" to say Merry Christmas, but it is legal to burn the American flag.

When they unite Canada, USA and Mexico into one country (the North American Union) then the US Constitution will become a useless piese of paper.

North American Union to Replace USA?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...american+union

ict1523 · #16 (**permalink**) 11-23-2007, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by New Governor Of Alaska

This is just a part of the plan to destroy the USA.
It is not "politically correct" to say Merry Christmas, but it is legal to burn the American flag.

When they unite Canada, USA and Mexico into one country (the North American Union) then the US Constitution will become a useless piese of paper.

North American Union to Replace USA?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...american+union

For once, I understand the point you're trying to make and I share your concerns. This North American Union is dangerous business and I hope it never happens.

Jimmy the Pro · #17 (**permalink**) 11-27-2007, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dustin

I find this a ridiclous argument personally, but do you think people should say "happy holidays" instead of merry christmas? I just think people are to politically correct.

We can no longer say Happy Holidays because "Holi" is too close to "Holy" which discriminates against those of us who are not "Holy"

Therefore instead of wishing a person Happy Holidays, we should now simply wish them Happy The Days.

This will cure all injustice done to those of us who are not Holy. Case in Point.

Dustin · #18 (**permalink**) 11-27-2007, 09:53 PM

lol that's awesome. I can just imagine people saying happy days!

kamehameha34 · #19 (**permalink**) 11-27-2007, 10:06 PM

I don't remember anything in the constitution that gives the government authority to legislate how we greet one another. The repercussions of inappropriateness are a social issue.

MatthewCarman · #20 (**permalink**) 11-27-2007, 10:33 PM

I always pray on christmas and have a day of rememberance and prayer for about half a hour before my family opens any presents. I am not for presents besides the fact it shows the person you give them to you apreciate them and love them. That is why I give presents to show I apreciate and care about them. So I still celebrate christmas for the christian holiday it was ment to be.

Ps. I always say Merry Christmas.

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