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Old 08-19-2008, 08:51 AM
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Sorry, but church goers have full rights, including voting rights, whether you like it or not.
But churches themselves do not.
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Old 08-19-2008, 09:41 AM
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the church was not advocating one person or policy over the other. it was simply a forum for the candidates to discuss politics and their religion

nothing wrong with that
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Old 08-19-2008, 10:21 AM
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the church was not advocating one person or policy over the other. it was simply a forum for the candidates to discuss politics and their religion

nothing wrong with that
It is wrong - if not legally then certainly from an ethical standpoint. And, yes, the church did advocate by not having the candidates from the other national parties participating.
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Old 08-19-2008, 01:18 PM
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ut Zeph, you support gun control, the cops would have your weapons in a matter of seconds.
Yes, I support gun control. I don't support gun BANISHMENT.

Jesus Christ, please stop saying I believe we should not be allowed to have guns.

And in any case, you don't necessarily need guns to resist violently.
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Old 08-19-2008, 02:36 PM
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Yes, I support gun control. I don't support gun BANISHMENT.

Jesus Christ, please stop saying I believe we should not be allowed to have guns.

And in any case, you don't necessarily need guns to resist violently.
I don't want to turn this into a gun-control debate, but here's how registration works out:

You register your weapon with the government, or receive a license to own one from the government.

The government knows you have such a weapon.

The government decides to ban weapons.

They knock on your door in the middle of the night with five armed men in order to seize your weapons because you told them where they are.

We can finish this discussion in PM if you like, but let's not hi-jack the thread.
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Old 08-19-2008, 02:45 PM
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I don't want to turn this into a gun-control debate, but here's how registration works out:

You register your weapon with the government, or receive a license to own one from the government.

The government knows you have such a weapon.

The government decides to ban weapons.

They knock on your door in the middle of the night with five armed men in order to seize your weapons because you told them where they are.
And, since they're a theocracy, you should realize they're coming and be ready.
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Old 08-23-2008, 07:46 PM
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It is wrong - if not legally then certainly from an ethical standpoint.
How so?



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And, yes, the church did advocate by not having the candidates from the other national parties participating.
Other parties don't matter.
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Old 08-23-2008, 08:20 PM
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It is wrong - if not legally then certainly from an ethical standpoint. And, yes, the church did advocate by not having the candidates from the other national parties participating.
I agree with Chan. First, I was appalled to see the two major party candidates speaking at a church as part of their campaign. I'd prefer to see religion removed entirely from the political process since there are elements in this country that would like to see a Christian theocracy established.

And second, as Chan pointed out those two are not the only candidates running so yes, the church was advocating for those two candidates over the others.
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Old 08-23-2008, 10:05 PM
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A huge televised event over the weekend and no one wants to touch it?
I didn't watch it either for the same reasons. I did catch a little part of it. It was where Obama was asked what is marriage and responded that it was a union between man and woman, and in his case, because he was Christian, God is involved as well (Oh, God, please give me strength not to make the obvious smart *** remark which might be misconstrued as sacrilege by those who have not the revelation that if you created humans in your own image, must be you laugh, too) .
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Old 08-24-2008, 08:09 AM
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I agree with Chan. First, I was appalled to see the two major party candidates speaking at a church as part of their campaign. I'd prefer to see religion removed entirely from the political process
The Constitution prevents such a thing.


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since there are elements in this country that would like to see a Christian theocracy established.
The Constitution prevents such a thing.


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And second, as Chan pointed out those two are not the only candidates running so yes, the church was advocating for those two candidates over the others.
They are the only 2 that matter. Let's see how many of the 'other' candidates appear at the other upcoming debates.......
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