Since when has the war in Iraq or Afghanistan been a religious war? Or do you know something I don't?

The real reasons aside how do you think it looks? Not only do Britain and the US support what is a religious apartheid and war in Israel and Palestine but also invade two Islamic countries, in the case of Iraq entirely illegally. With these actions we do nothing but fuel the case of Al-Qaeda and add to the hate, tell me, what was the reason for the attacks on London and Glasgow airport?

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Are you saying that terrorist attacks are justifiable? I hope not! Or are you just making excuses for them?

Let's go back a bit and ask what were the reasons for the attack on civilians in Bali or the original bombing of the World Trade centre in 1993. Both carried out by Islamic terrorists. Both before the invasion of Iraq or action in Afghanistan. Islamic terrorism didn't start with 9/11. It's been going on for decades.

BTW, it was the Arabs who first attacked the Israelis, let's not forget that. It has always been the Arabs who want to see Israel pushed into the sea. And I would disagree that Britain and the US support the violence in Palestine. They have both made several efforts to broker peace deals. Blame the intrasigence of the Israelis and Palestinians who are as bad as each other.

Neither, I'm stating what prompted them not justifying or excusing them.

Very true, but the amount of terrorist attacks has risen hugely since the wars/invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan, and there has always been western imperialism in the middle east, the Afghanistan and Iraq are nothing but a continuance of this. Again I'm not condoning or excusing terrorist actions but merely stating why they have occured, along with the natural tendency some humans have for destruction and killing which will always exist.

I'll blame the intransigence of the Israeli and Palestinian leaders if you wish, but not the people themselves, on both sides they are the ones who suffer. Interesting you've gone to the most simple of all arguments, the one 5 year olds use to defend their actions: "they started it" and in this case it's perfectly debateable. But I won't argue the point with you, either way the violence going on from both sides is unjustifiable. The difference is that one side is being supported with trade, politically and even with arms, by Britain and the US.

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The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union.
Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

Stop the personal insults. First and last warning.

Sorry, who is this directed at?

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Trust me, I'm a socialist!

There's power in a factory,power in the land, power in the hand of the worker. But it all amounts to nothing if together we don't stand, there is power in a union.
The union forever defending our rights, down with the blackleg, workers unite. To our brothers and our sisters in many far off lands, there is power in a union.
Money speaks for money, the devil for his own. - Billy Bragg

Short answer.....as currently defined, represented and disseminated...........NO.
Until I see a reformation which requires believers to recognize equality to all....it is nothing but discriminatory delusions of someone who I would consider possessed.

and.............yes I have read the Quran.............twice.

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I disagree. DOn't forget, the Zionists waltzed in to Palestine and started kicking people out of their homes at gunpoint and terrorist attacks. If the Zionists came in and coexisted peacefully without prejudicing the rights of the local population as per the Balfour agreement, things would be very different.

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Don't leave the British mandate out of your argument. Most folks have no idea about this historical brain fart.

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It is excused by several - honor killings in muslim countries, bride burning in Hindu countries, war in every other country - and may God(ess) bless all our freakin troops. I don't believe there is any mainstream religion that tolerates killing - yet somehow so many people seem to end up dead anyway.

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