That does not matter. It does not change what intolerance is. It does not matter what the X is.

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May your paradise always be green, you liberties always be full, and may the ignorance of you enemies not drive you to be pro-nuke.

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself
into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and
trying to lift himself up by the handle."-Winston Churchill

Saying you aren't being tolerant unless you are tolerant of absolutely everything is an interesting bit of sophistry. It's an unreasonable definition of what "tolerant" is and doesn't capture what people actually mean when they use it. Instead, it redefines the term to an absurdity.

Being or promoting toleration doesn't necessarily entail you must be tolerant of intolerant behaviour.

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Ya, it is good to be intolerant of some things. Murder and rape are good examples. If you tolerate everything you are going to have problems.

You should not be tollerant overall.
You should be tolerant of X, where X is things you tolerate.
Yes if you do not tolerate intolerance that would make you intolerant of intolerance.

It is not redefining the word. All the word means is to allow something to be even though you do not like it.

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May your paradise always be green, you liberties always be full, and may the ignorance of you enemies not drive you to be pro-nuke.

"We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself
into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and
trying to lift himself up by the handle."-Winston Churchill

the people of america let these things happen, they allowed the leaders the freedom to do it. the people of america even elected those responsible.

it is fair to say the americam people are warmongering and exploitative. but this is true only in reference to the people as a whole, as a group, as a mass, thinking of "the people" as a single entity. it does not translate that each individual within that group automatically must share these qualities.

BTW, i am australian. the people of australia are also warmongering, exploitative, imperialistic not to mention racist, sexist and lazy. but this does not accurately describe every individual, just the whole.

likewise, the people of america (and australia) also respect freedom, demand democracy and the rule of law, but this does not accurately describe every individual either, just the people as a whole.

So do you base this on the premise that the leaders were elected by the people ? Because the Saudi people do not choose who governs tem and what policies they put in force.

But what i actually believe is that all of those things i mentioned would have happened whether the US elected their leaders or not. It would have happened because their country would still be directed and effectively run by a capitalist, elitist minority. The actions of the state are a reflection of their interests and their interests alone. They are not representative of the masses. The masses can only vote for those who appear on the ballot. They cant wish a representative candidate into existence. The politicians will always represent those who really have power, not the electorate, but those who control capital.

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Viva Fidel

If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

I would say the American majority is doing something about it now. But for the most part I have said this before they are to blame.


For the most part the kind of things I was referring to don't have so ambiguous a nature as our crimes. so Ignorance plays more a part then in Saudi Arabia.

They know very well What is happening and Would revolt if they saw it with the kind of rage I do.

We do pick our leaders and are attempting to fix our evils now. Hopefully Things will change in the next few years.

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Its easy to talk about revolt when not faced with death and oppression. I wonder just how likely you would be to start a revolution in Saudi Arabia.

I would like to think that America will be different, but i know better. People don't impact policy, power impacts policy. America will continue on the path of neocolonialism that it has been on since 1945. The path that not even the apparently great JFK deviated from.

I hope as much as anyone Obama will be different, but history tells us otherwise.

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Viva Fidel

If there ever was in the history of humanity an enemy who was truly universal, an enemy whose acts and moves trouble the entire world, threaten the entire world, attack the entire world in any way or another, that real and really universal enemy is precisely Yankee imperialism

They talk about the failure of socialism but where is the success of capitalism in Africa, Asia and Latin America?

Let's try this again...

THE OBJECT OF THE INTOLERANCE DOES NOT CHANGE THE DEFINITION OF THE WORDS "INTOLERANT" AND "INTOLERANCE."

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Very Big letters. But very true.

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Is Islam compatible with a modern, tolerant society?

In short, yes. Its fundamentalist base will have to be abandoned though. As other religions have reformed, so will Islam, it was just a little behind because the middle east is behind in general.

Islam isnt so much a different religion than the base root of the main religions of the world, its just that that fundamental base was more strictly adhered to for some cultures and it has been used as an excuse to fuel wars and hatred against "islamic enemies"

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"...Follow the crystal star to the pyre of the flame; there exists the dwelling of the spreading fire. The heart of this life rests upon the fate of that place, and what begins there sends a contagion to the rest of the universe.
As long as the fire burns we shall never be free..." (The Shadows of Yavara, Final Reclamation)