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Old 09-04-2008, 06:21 PM
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I hate to break it to him, but Christianity isn't compatible with modern values of liberty, equality, or democracy either. It's not very tolerant and intrinsically anti-humanistic. Many Christian doctrines work off of the idea that humans are depraved, worthless and owe complete allegiance to God and that God comes before family, state, and society.
Yes, this is precisely the point of my post above.
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Well, you could argue that Christianity has moved past all that stuff...
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Well, you could argue that Christianity has moved past all that stuff...
Ah, but could you argue it successfully?

In fact, I could even counter that by arguing that if Christianity DID move past its more historically damaging aspects, many would say it sold out to modernism. After all, fundamentalism is a stalwart antithesis of progressivity.

The hardcore Islamic World likes to pretend it's still 1160, and there are more than a few fundamentalist Christians who espouse a similar regressiveness. Fun part is, we have Christians condemning each other as being not TRULY Christians. I've been flat-out informed that Catholics are not Christian, if you can believe that.

So, for any Christian to deem Islam as incompatible with modernity is a little disingenuous.
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Old 09-06-2008, 01:21 AM
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Sorry it's a bit late. Here's the actual information. It's correlational, so I am not saying religion causes any of the problems. I do believe it's true in some of the cases, but in others, it merely proves that religion doesn't have all the beneficial consequences people think it does. It also proves that a secular society isn't necessarily worse; it can often be better.

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side' - Times Online
Skeptic: The Magazine: Featured Article

Here is the actual study:

moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.htm

Apparently, the site keeps timing out for me. Maybe it will be back up tomorrow. That's irritating.
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Old 09-16-2008, 08:29 AM
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Left alone where......
yes, it is #1 desire for Muslims, but things are not that simple.....
You have first to specify the Geographical borders of that "left alone zone"

that borders can extend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Lebanon, Iran passing through Israel/Palestine -most controversial-, Southern Thailand, Western China and may be in the near future, that zone will extend to include south-east London and Harlem......

The UK already recognizes Sharia Law in some cases. Just two examples:

BBC NEWS | UK | The view from inside a Sharia court

BBC NEWS | UK | Sharia law 'could have UK role'


Their Muslim population is far greater than ours, of course. The US is so thoroughly Christian, however (despite the "separation of church and state" rhetoric), that short of total conquest by an Islamic state, I can't see such a concession ever happening here.

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In a very limited manner.
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I don't think the question is whether religion X Y or Z is compatible...but whether extremism is.

Extremists, regardless of the type, are not usually compatible with our society. They're not interested in compromise and understanding. They know who is right (them), and anyone who disagrees with them is wrong. Period.
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