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Old 06-16-2008, 03:50 PM
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Do you really think that public school kids are just as sheltered as people who hide their kids in their homes for 'special' religious school experience? Honestly? I don't.
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Old 06-16-2008, 03:58 PM
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Do you really think that public school kids are just as sheltered as people who hide their kids in their homes for 'special' religious school experience? Honestly? I don't.
No. What I said is that I think it balances out.
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How really does it balance out? Maybe a few teachers don't teach as well as they can. I don't see how that negates the deliberate sabotage of home schooling. Religious instruction is the number 1 or 2 reason parents home school.
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Not all home schooling is bad. It takes a lot of effort, time, and usually money and education to do it. But for every good home schooler, there are a lot of psycho home schoolers who learn Jesus Math and that evolution is false. The problem is that home schooling is often poorly regulated in the United States, depending where you live.

And when you are home schooled, you are not exposed to any of those pesky "contradictory" ideas if your parents don't want you to be. They can successfully bubble up their children in little fantasy worlds where they control the influx of information. While you cannot prevent parents from talking to their kids and teaching them nonsense, you can at least give them access to information that the parents don't want them to see if they go to public schools.
Sometimes. Other times they can teach their children better than any other school. Unless a kid stays with their parents their entire life they will exposed to other information. If parents want to home school good for them.
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I was homeschooled...


I don't think I resemble too closely any of that Jesus Camp nonsense.

Knowing relatively little about homeschooling, may I ask if there were curricula to adhere to, or standards to abide? I assume that parents just aren't on all their own.

The whole point of a diploma is theoretically to assure others (prospective employers, to be honest) that you have a certain proficiency in math, English, etc.

I'm finding it hard to imagine a situation where some parent could just teach ANYTHING, and for that to be considered valid/useful.
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Knowing relatively little about homeschooling, may I ask if there were curricula to adhere to, or standards to abide? I assume that parents just aren't on all their own.
Most, if not all, of the American states do have standards to which homeschooling parents must adhere.

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Homeschoolers get a high school diploma that meets state standards.

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I'm finding it hard to imagine a situation where some parent could just teach ANYTHING, and for that to be considered valid/useful.
The state doesn't dictate that they must teach a specific viewpoint.
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Then your assessment will be about as accurate as an assessment of American public schools based on South Park episodes will be.
Maybe if he had watched the actual DVD of Jesus Camp or had seen it on PBS or A&E or one of the other television stations, he might have a valid basis for criticizing it.
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Most, if not all, of the American states do have standards to which homeschooling parents must adhere.

Homeschoolers get a high school diploma that meets state standards.

The state doesn't dictate that they must teach a specific viewpoint.
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Maybe if he had watched the actual DVD of Jesus Camp or had seen it on PBS or A&E or one of the other television stations, he might have a valid basis for criticizing it.
Well, there is plenty to criticize in Jesus Camp. I find it obscene. However, to base a criticism of homeschooling in general off of that documentary laughable.
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Well, there is plenty to criticize in Jesus Camp. I find it obscene. However, to base a criticism of homeschooling in general off of that documentary laughable.
Yes, there is a lot to criticize in that documentary; but some people here have a certain animus toward religion and they feel they have to get their digs in wherever possible.
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The fact that it was watched on PBS is irrelevant. The video actually gets worse when you watch the DVD of it. Not better.

The "standards" for homeschooling are often poor or poorly enforced in the United States. That's why you can have parents nominally cover "evolution" but then teach creationism as the "real" theory. They can purchase specific religious content from organizations like Discovery Institute and give only cursory recognition to valid scientific theories.
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