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Old 06-20-2008, 02:42 PM
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Are there any credible sources other than "wikipedia," the thing anyone can edit? Even bubba the trailerpark guy.
So it comes down to dismissing the sources? That's how you know when you're out of arguments.

Wikipedia is generally well sourced. In this instance, feel free to read # ^ Lillard A, Else-Quest N. "The early years. Evaluating Montessori education." Science. 2006 Sep 29; 313 (5795): 1893-4.
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Wikipedia is a worthless source. It's credible is nonexistent, given anyone can edit it and there's no quality control. In fact, it's so bad, it's enough to tank your paper if you try to use it and it's often banned in the first place.

If you can find a credible scientific study discussing it, yea, I will look at. I don't look at wikipedia. I could edit everything on that page to say whatever I want it to say in bout 5 seconds. IN fact, I can say Montessori is a type of salad dressing.

Wikipedia: how I know research standards have gone downhill. Any imbecile with a crackpot "source" can edit wikipedia. They don't even care if it's a reliable source.
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Wikipedia is a worthless source. It's credible is nonexistent, given anyone can edit it and there's no quality control. In fact, it's so bad, it's enough to tank your paper if you try to use it and it's often banned in the first place.

If you can find a credible scientific study discussing it, yea, I will look at. I don't look at wikipedia. I could edit everything on that page to say whatever I want it to say in bout 5 seconds. IN fact, I can say Montessori is a type of salad dressing.

Wikipedia: how I know research standards have gone downhill.
I cited an article in the journal "Science."

Does that not meet your standards?
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I will have to look for it. That would be an improvement.
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Old 06-23-2008, 09:33 AM
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The problem? 25 states have few or no standards. That's unacceptable. There's a serious flaw with how our federal model works when the States fail to do their jobs.
And it's their choice not to have standards.
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Unacceptable to you maybe, but I don't have a problem with it.


The job of the states or any government is to protect liberty, life, and property. Lack of standards regarding homeschooling isn't a factor.
Besides, the marketplace has a way of correcting flaws in such a system. If enough homeschooled students are unable to get into college (except Patrick Henry College) because they can't prove they have a high school education, and if enough homeschooled children aren't able to get good jobs because they can't prove they have a high school education, then maybe there will start to be some standards put into place - by the parents.
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Wikipedia is a worthless source. It's credible is nonexistent, given anyone can edit it and there's no quality control. In fact, it's so bad, it's enough to tank your paper if you try to use it and it's often banned in the first place.

If you can find a credible scientific study discussing it, yea, I will look at. I don't look at wikipedia. I could edit everything on that page to say whatever I want it to say in bout 5 seconds. IN fact, I can say Montessori is a type of salad dressing.

Wikipedia: how I know research standards have gone downhill. Any imbecile with a crackpot "source" can edit wikipedia. They don't even care if it's a reliable source.
It is credible at times, you have to check the sourcing.
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The market does correct the problem, if you mean "correcting the problem" is synonymous with creating a special bubble world for these children (such as patriot university and other fake colleges just for them).

Great solution! When reality doesn't fit the ideology, reconstruct reality around it. MOreover, many jobs don't require knowledge of science, so they can continue being ignorant retards forever, except they get vote, using their ignorance to colour how they vote.
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The market does correct the problem, if you mean "correcting the problem" is synonymous with creating a special bubble world for these children (such as patriot university and other fake colleges just for them).

Great solution! When reality doesn't fit the ideology, reconstruct reality around it. MOreover, many jobs don't require knowledge of science, so they can continue being ignorant retards forever, except they get vote, using their ignorance to colour how they vote.
Maybe we should just do away with voting too.
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The market does correct the problem, if you mean "correcting the problem" is synonymous with creating a special bubble world for these children (such as patriot university and other fake colleges just for them).
No, I mean employers not accepting them as having graduated from high school. I mean state universities not accepting them as having graduated from high school.

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Great solution! When reality doesn't fit the ideology, reconstruct reality around it.
You mean like "science" does as it goes around claiming it's a "fact" that the universe just sort of magically came into existence all by itself after some molecules or whatever just magically collided or whatever it is they did and exploded or expanded - again, magically, all by themselves?

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Moreover, many jobs don't require knowledge of science, so they can continue being ignorant retards forever, except they get vote, using their ignorance to colour how they vote.
So, you worship science? Science is your god? If everyone else doesn't worship science then they're "ignorant retards"?

You had damned well better apologize to all the people in the world who happen to have IQs in the mentally retarded range for insulting them in this way!
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