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Old 06-19-2008, 03:18 PM
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You mean seig. You are such a drama queen. You exaggerate everything, just as you did in the other post. You blow everything up ten times what it actually is.

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Ad hominems aside, I find the phrase "people have too many rights" absolutely chilling.
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You approved of how I described Ohio's method... yet I know several families who teach evolution as a falsehood, and they "get away" with it just fine.
I approved relative to other states that have nothing. It's a lot more solid. Doesn't mean it's itself the good choice if given others. Mine is better.

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Ironically enough, I've used some of those science books. They are generally very good, and thorough. My mum and I laughed through the sections on evolution and geological history, but overall found them quite useful.

Your bias won't let you see that.

Is it unfortunate that some parents don't believe in evolution and want to impart that belief onto their children? Yes. Is it the job of the state to explicitely prohibit that? no.
So a book that says the Earth is 6,000 years old is actually generally very good? You must be joking. Seriously. That a book would even have that in there destroys is credibility, period. It's a disgrace texts like that are sold and that people will say "well, if you ignore the CORE of biology (evolution), everything else is good. Biology falls down without evolution. It's instrumental. Any biology book which denies biology is a faerietale without a moral.

You can explicitly prohibit them from doing anything unless you send people to their homes to watch them. You can only make it more difficult, tie up their time creating materials and work samples that are to be submitted, make them take standardized tests on the subject that go into depth (so they MUST teach enough of said subject), and force them to spend money on things to eat up funds that could go to something else.

Technically, they might still be able to sneak it in on the side a bit. IN this case, they also get a real competitor worldview instead of the fundie bubble home schooling right now allows. If they can't pass the qualifications, they shouldn't be teaching that subject and it would be mandated that they have a school approved biology instructor if they cannot find one.
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Ad hominems aside, I find the phrase "people have too many rights" absolutely chilling.
I mean that people think only about their legal "right" to do something without considering the costs to others or any type of duty and responsibility. It's selfish and myopic. OUr society is too much about individualism, not enough about the Greater Good of the collective. Everyone's too busy thinking about what they have the "right" to do that they think of nothing else. People even invent rights they don't have.

No one should allow home schooling in the condition it is, and ideally, it wouldn't exist. But heavily regulated is a compromise alternative. Be lucky you'd have it at all, albeit regulated.
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The problem is there is no STANDARD or requirement
Each state sets its own standards, or not, which is exactly how it should be based on the Constitution.
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I mean that people think only about their legal "right" to do something without considering the costs to others or any type of duty and responsibility. It's selfish and myopic. OUr society is too much about individualism, not enough about the Greater Good of the collective. Everyone's too busy thinking about what they have the "right" to do that they think of nothing else. People even invent rights they don't have.
The government isn't the solution to that.

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No one should allow home schooling in the condition it is, and ideally, it wouldn't exist. But heavily regulated is a compromise alternative. Be lucky you'd have it at all, albeit regulated.
Ideally it wouldn't exist?

Ideally government wouldn't exist.
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Each state sets its own standards, or not, which is exactly how it should be based on the Constitution.
The problem? 25 states have few or no standards. That's unacceptable. There's a serious flaw with how our federal model works when the States fail to do their jobs.
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The government isn't the solution to that.


Ideally it wouldn't exist?

Ideally government wouldn't exist.
I was talking about ideally, it (in that condition, regarding H.Sing). No government's not ideal even in the abstract. It's anarchy. Even a bad government's often better than absolutely no government. Look at Somalia. I'd rather live in the Soviet Union than Somalia.

I think the government is part of the solution, but that system also needs reform.
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The problem? 25 states have few or no standards. That's unacceptable. There's a serious flaw with how our federal model works when the States fail to do their jobs.
Then its up for the people of each state to demand change.
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The problem? 25 states have few or no standards. That's unacceptable.
Unacceptable to you maybe, but I don't have a problem with it.
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There's a serious flaw with how our federal model works when the States fail to do their jobs.
The job of the states or any government is to protect liberty, life, and property. Lack of standards regarding homeschooling isn't a factor.
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If government didn't exist, it would be anarchy. If home schooling didn't exist, there would be an adequate school system to deal with it. No government would be quite a bit bad. Not so without home schooling.
If you're allowed to indulge your fantasy about a consistently excellent school system that is suitable for all, then I am allowed to indulge my fantasy of Anarchism (as opposed to anarchy).
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