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This is really speaking of the radicals of todays Islamic goals. About one half way down.

Watching a history channel show about the one Jewish tribe that left to enter Africa. A prophet named Hood was mentioned who believe in the one God of the Jews. He was one of 4 great prophets before Mohammad. I found this which if read correctly runs down believers in Jesus, yet some in Islam still teach it, the reason for this long line of crap. But in it one finds that the ones they speak against for the ruin of mankind are really the terrorist and insurgents of today. Got a moment read this and form your own opinion.
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Jesus Versus Finality: Return of Jesus Christ | Jesus Versus Finality of Prophet hood | Will Jesus Return - Al Islam Online

HE BELIEF that the last prophet, Muhammadsa, has already come and gone and the assertion that Jesusas would descend to earth as a prophet after him are so inconsistent that they cannot be owned simultaneously. In fact this cocktail of two unrelated issues was made by some Ulema of the late medieval times. At the time of the revelation of the Holy Quran any connection between the two was unthinkable.
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Was there a mark of Prophet-hood on all of the Anbiya? Like on their shoulders?
'alayhi salaam....or was that a unique characteristic of Muhammad's? like the khatam anbiya mark? Give me a link that describes it if you know.
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This was unique on the Prophet Muhammad (saw). This was also a mark that was prophesized in the Christian scriptures, identified at first by the Monk Bahira, who warned Abu Talib to be careful and keep Muhammad (saw) away from the Jews.

This mark was knows as the "Khatam An-Nubuwwa" (The Seal of Prophethood)
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What gets me is they have to redefind the Koran that was suppose to be give from Allah to Mohammad to the people once Mohammed dragged them into the new religion. Hummm sound like the same problem Christians have.

On Finality of Prophethood :On Finality of Prophethood - Introduction

¤ Introduction
¤ Evidence In The Quran
¤ Evidence in The Ahadith
¤ The use of “KHATAM” in Arabic
¤ Opinions of Islamic Scholars


INTRODUCTION
While it would be tautologous to reiterate verbosely, the various circumstances that necessitated the writing of this series of articles, I would like to mention that it was given rise to by the proposal that a newsgroup be created with the name soc.religion.islam.ahmadiyya.

This development created a great deal of discomfort among a vast majority of Muslims who believe that Ahmadi Muslims are not Muslims and as such, should not be allowed to use the word "Islam" in the name of their newsgroup. By the same token, Ahmadi Muslims claim that it is THEY who are true Muslims, and as such, have the right to choose their name. The basis for which the non-Ahmadi majority has declared the Ahmadi minority non-Muslim is a verse of the Holy Quran, the Muslim divine book, which states that the Prophet of Islam, Hadhrat Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was "Khatam-an-Nabiyyeen", a controversial expression which Ahmadis interpret as "the greatest of the prophets" and non-Ahmadis interpret as "the last of the prophets".

I present here for interested readers my brief series of articles on modern day (non-Ahmadi) Muslims' erroneous concept of the finality of prophethood -- that Hadhrat Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, the Prophet of Islam is chronologically the last Prophet and that one who does not accept this idea is automatically kicked out of the pale of Islam. Importantly, all the quotations that I have presented are of non-Ahmadi scholars and divines who made these statements largely before the advent of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, peace be upon him, who founded the Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam, claimed by him to be in compliance with God's command in revelations received by him. It is also noteworthy that these views represent a wide time span, since the demise of Hadhrat Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, to the time of Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, peace be upon him. All the views indicate that Prophethood was not abolished with the advent of Hadhrat Muhammad, peace nad blessings of Allah be upon him, and that the notion that Hadhrat Muhammad, peace and blessings of allah be upon him, is the last prophet in order of time was concocted later on. The purpose of these articles is to clarify doubts created in the minds of many readers by some less informed Muslims on the network, the nobility of whose intentions I do not doubt at all, however.

The arrangement of the subject in the articles is as follows:

Evidence in the Holy Quran.
Forty examples of the use of the word "Khatam" where it does not mean "last", rather it means "greatest" or "best".
Evidence in the Ahadith.
Opinions of Islamic scholars.
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More wonders of which many are unaware of. I give up this is th elast unless others find it.
THE OPINION AND VERDICTS OF POLITICIANS ABOUT QADIYANIAT

THE OPINION AND VERDICTS OF POLITICIONS ABOUT QADIYANIAT

Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto

I have faith in Islam. I am a Muslim and I am proud of being a Muslim. The Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) is the last Prophet of Almighty Allah. There is no possibility of a prophet after him. The decision has been made. In addition, the decision is that only those are Muslims who believe in Khatm e Nubuwwat (the seal on Prophet Hood) and whoever does not have a faith in Khatm e Nubuwwat is not a Muslim.

I came to know their evil designs just these days. I have never thought that the Qadiyanis could be so horrible.



General Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq

Qadiyaniat is like cancer for the Muslim World. Through different measures, the Pakistani government is trying to remove this cancer. The Muslims of South Asia should be proud of it that they have unveiled the false Prophet Hood of Mirza Qadiyani and made the world aware of his fraud and deception. The faith in Khatm e Nubuwwat (the seal on Prophet Hood) is not only a basic part of Islam but also a universal message for the completion of God’s religion and His blessings.

Discussing the promulgation of the ordinance concerning the Qadiyanis, General Zia-ul-Haq said, “This ordinance has brought about good results and it will help in creating a Muslim society. By enforcing the ordinance concerning the Qadiyanis, the government has shown its will not only to restore the glory of Islam but also to root out the evils in society. The real danger we are facing is from the double-faced Qadiyanis who are among us in the guise of Muslims.



Benazir Bhutto

Replying to a question Benazir said, “Before declaring them as a non-Muslim minority, the Qadiyanis have been given the chance to prove that they believe in Khatm e Nubuwwat (the seal on Prophet Hood). However, the stance of the Qadiyani leader in the National Assembly was of complete rejection of the Finality of the Prophet Hood. So the unanimous opinion of the elected Assembly declared them as non-Muslim minority through an amendment in the constitution. So that amendment is right and cannot be abolished”.

Muhammad Khan Junejo

The deniers of Khatm e Nubuwwat (the Finality of the Prophet Hood) (the Qadiyanis) should be dealt with an iron hand. The contempt of the seal of Prophet Hood cannot be tolerated.”



Mian Nawaz Sharif



“Even the greatest penalty at the contempt of the Holy Prophet is not sufficient”.



Raja Muhammad Zafar-ul-Haq

Islam cannot be imagined without Khatm e Nubuwwat (the seal of Prophet Hood). Even the intellectuals and the educated people are unaware of the heaviness of this issue. They take the Qadiyanis as a sect among Muslims and are angry at the enforcement of the Presidential Ordinance. If there had been any room for tolerance Muhammad (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) and Abu Bakar Siddique (Razi-Allah-ho-Taala-Anhu) would not take so hard a stance and twelve hundred companions of the Holy Prophet (Sallallaho Alaihe Wassallam) would not have laid down their lives.



Chaudhry Pervaiz Elahi (Chief Minister Punjab)

No Qadiyani will be allowed membership of the Muslim League



Haji Muhammad Hanif Tayyeb (Ex minister)

Qadiyaniat is a regular separate religion which has nothing to do with Islam; rather the very purpose of this ideology is to make Muslims fight with each other and lose their strength. A layman Muslim does not know anything about this horrible conspiracy. Although this organization has virtually occupied the whole of the country's system, I have decided to contribute to the extent I can in the efforts to crush this movement. The members of Anjuman e Talaba e Islam are all willing to uproot this evil at all cost. If our leaders are really sincere to the cause of Pakistan, I expect them to forget their mutual differences and instead of fighting for power, they would bring up an effective movement against Qadiyaniat so as to bring Islam back to power. If they fail to realize their responsibilities, they are to pay the price both in this world and in hereafter. I solemnly request the Ulema and the Mashaa'ikh that this time is not to sit in madrassas and Khanqahs; rather they should step out and help save the masses from the poison of Qadiyaniat. I sincerely expect from the Ulema and Mashaa'ikh to forget their petty differences and come out in streets to run the movement against Qadiyaniat and thus fulfill their responsibility regarding the honor of the Holy Prophet (SAW). If they fail to unite and sacrifice the honor of the Prophet (SAW) for their personal ego, then they will be held responsible for the deviation of the Muslim masses from the right path.



Sahibzada Farooq Ali Khan (Ex Speaker National Assembly)

The matter of the honor of the Holy Prophet (SAW) is a very delicate issue. A Muslim would not hesitate to lay his life for this. The love this Ummah has for the Holy Prophet (SAW) cannot be explained in words. The beliefs of the Qadiyani group are dangerous. All subgroups of this sect carry along a dangerous amalgam of beliefs. If the Qadiyani Jama'at is religiously dangerous, the Lahori group is even more so. The difference among the two is political rather than religious. Religiously, both are the same. In the history of Pakistan, 1973 constitution is the one on which there was unanimous agreement. After this the only unanimous decision is regarding the Qadiyanis. I do not think that there was any other unanimous decision ever. Wali Khan's NAP had declared Mufti Mehmood as their leader. The day the decision was taken, Wali Khan was in Swat. I called him from Swat; he came and signed the decision too.



Maulana Abdul Sattar Niazi (Ex federal minister)

A Mirzai, wherever he is , represents Kufr (infidelity). He is a spy against Islam. Qadiyanis celebrated the fall of Baghdad.



Sardar Muhammad Abdul Qayuum Khan (Ex President Azad Jammu & Kashmir)

It is high time that Qadiyaniat shrinks, rather dies out. Just like Hindus and Jews, they offer beautiful girls, jobs and money to push Muslims off the track. We in Azad Kashmir are trying to prevent the spread of Qadiyaniat; here they have plotted many conspiracies.



Sardar Sikandar Hayat (Ex Prime Minister Azad Jammu & Kashmir)

The Qadiyanis working in the foreign office are trying hard to push Kashmir issue into the deep freezer once again.



M. P. Bhandara (Minority MNA)

In Pakistan, nobody stops Qadiyanis from praying. Compared to the Hindus and the Christians, Qadiyanis are not very generous. They should not do such actions which hurt others. Moreover Qadiyanis are always ready to kill or get killed. They do not accommodate others in their organizations.
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Mlurp, this is the doctrine of an Islamic cult group called the Ahmadiyya.

They are a sub group of the Shia. They barely qualify as Muslims. Their theology is heretical and borders on blasphemy.

In fact, I would say that 99.9% of the Muslims do not consider them Muslims at all.
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Mlurp, this is the doctrine of an Islamic cult group called the Ahmadiyya.

They are a sub group of the Shia. They barely qualify as Muslims. Their theology is heretical and borders on blasphemy.

In fact, I would say that 99.9% of the Muslims do not consider them Muslims at all.
This article begs to differ with your claim that they "barely qualify as Muslims" and that "99.9% of the Muslims do not consider them Muslims at all".

There following is in the "tens of millions":
Ahmadiyya Muslim Community
"The Ahmadiyya Muslim Community is a religious organization, international in its scope, with branches in over 189 countries in Africa, North America, South America, Asia, Australasia, and Europe. This is the most dynamic denomination of Islam in modern history, with worldwide membership exceeding tens of millions."
An Overview

Ahmadiyya Muslim Community - Al Islam Online - Official Website
Most important as far as current affiars:
Views on Terrorism
"As far as Islam is concerned, it categorically rejects and condemns every form of terrorism. It does not provide any cover or justification for any act of violence, be it committed by an individual, a group or a government..... I most strongly condemn all acts and forms of terrorism because it is my deeply rooted belief that not only Islam but also no true religion, whatever its name, can sanction violence and bloodshed of innocent men, women and children in the name of God."
Our Views on Terrorism
Some of the basic principles:
Islamic ideology of the Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement
We proclaim that Islam is:
1. International — God raised Prophets in all nations, not only among the Israelites (as already accepted by Muslims) but also in India, China, Persia etc. A Muslim must believe in and respect all these prophets and their scriptures. Islam restores the original purity of the eternal truths taught by them, and broadens the scope of their national teachings to provide a faith for all humanity. Goodness, good people and truth may be found in all nations. God is equally just to all human beings, irrespective of their race, nationality or religion.

2. Tolerant — It gives full freedom to everyone to hold, practise and adopt any belief and religion. Differences of belief and interpretation, with whomsoever these may occur, must be tolerated. Criticism against Islam must be answered only by word, and any offence felt must be borne with patience; responding by physical violence is alien to the teachings of Islam. The common image of Islam as an intolerant faith is completely false.

3. Peaceful — It condemns all use of force except in unavoidable self-defence. All battles of early Islam were purely defensive. Muslims must live peacefully under any rule which grants them freedom of religion. The impression that Islam urges its followers to wage war or rebellion to establish its rule is entirely wrong. The concept of Jihad is greatly misunderstood: it primarily signifies a spiritual, intellectual and moral struggle to reform oneself and others.

4. Non-sectarian — Any person professing the words "There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah" must be treated as one's fellow Muslim. No inquisition is allowed into anyone's beliefs or motives. Issuing so-called rulings, on some pretext, to expel from Islam those who profess the Kalima is entirely against Islamic teachings.

5. Rational — It urges use of reason and knowledge in all matters, including religious affairs. Blind following and acceptance are disallowed, and independence of thought is granted. Blind, unthinking obedience to religious leaders is condemned.

6. Living — Acts of worship are not rituals to be performed without thought or feeling. They are meant to put the human soul in living contact with a Living God. We must know the purpose of prayer, fasting, etc. and carry them out in their true spirit. God listens to man's supplications and answers his prayers. In every age there arise, among Muslims, saints who have closeness and communication with God. Their example shows others that there is a Living God Who speaks to man.

7. Supporter of women — A great deal of misunderstanding prevails on this point, mainly due to local customs being confused with the teachings of Islam. According to Islam, a woman is a full, responsible human being, just as a man is. She should have the same control over determining the course of her life (including matters of marriage and divorce) as a man has over his life.

8. Highly moral — It requires Muslims to develop the highest personal moral virtues, and display these qualities even at the cost of personal or national interest. An Islamic society is not created by imposing laws and regulations on people. It is only created by reforming the character of individuals through moral training and example, and this was what the Holy Prophet Muhammad did.

9. Heart-winning — It seeks to conquer hearts and minds by showing the logic, truth and beauty of its teachings, in a gentle, loving spirit. It condemns force or coercion to spread the faith or make people conform to it.

10. Complete — The Holy Quran and the Holy Prophet provide complete and perfect guidance for all mankind, for all time to come. The Holy Prophet is the perfect exemplar of the highest moral virtues. After him, no prophet or authority is to arise. As Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Founder of the Ahmadiyya Movement, wrote:

“I firmly believe that our Holy Prophet Muhammad is the Last of the Prophets, and after him no prophet shall come for this Umma, neither old nor new.” (Nishan Asmani, p. 28).

The Lahore Ahmadiyya Movement in Islam

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The Ahmadiyya in most Islamic countries are considered to be guilty of blasphemy and will be imprisoned at a minimum.

They are NOT Muslims in any sense of the word and are a pure cult.
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The Ahmadiyya in most Islamic countries are considered to be guilty of blasphemy and will be imprisoned at a minimum.

They are NOT Muslims in any sense of the word and are a pure cult.
Sounds like some countries want the monopoly on Islamic faith. Are these the same Islamic countries that are usually in the headlines?

According to the articles I posted above, the Ahmadiyya are VERY popular worldwide, and do not subscribe to the extreme forms of Islam (ie Islamofascism)

Can you provide some links that support your claim regarding Ahmadiyya?
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Sounds like some countries want the monopoly on Islamic faith. Are these the same Islamic countries that are usually in the headlines?

According to the articles I posted above, the Ahmadiyya are VERY popular worldwide, and do not subscribe to the extreme forms of Islam (ie Islamofascism)

Can you provide some links that support your claim regarding Ahmadiyya?
Believe what you want to believe. But, I am in a unique personal position to know the reality and the truth of the issue.

Google: Ahmadiyya cult
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Believe what you want to believe. But, I am in a unique personal position to know the reality and the truth of the issue.

Google: Ahmadiyya cult
What "unique personal position" would that be? I need more than your own personal perspective as far as proof to what you claim. Curious, are you American?

I can do a google search for "Christianity Cult" and come up with some facinating links, none of which prove that Christianity is a cult.
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