George Carlin Voices My Thoughts - Page 3 - Political Fever

malrenalds · #21 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:51 AM

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A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestation of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty - it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this sense alone, I am a deeply religious man.

No he Did not believe in anything resembling the accepted definition of god.

And the Phrase Creator is far from accurate

Oregon Elephant · #22 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by malrenalds

No he Did not believe in anything resembling the accepted definition of god.

And the Phrase Creator is far from accurate

Please see my first quote by Einstein, which was his response when directly asked about his religion, Spinoza's God and Pantheism. As seeing as Spinoza's Pantheism has been accepted (though not popular) for over 200 years before Einstein, I would say that it qualifies as one of the "accepted" definitions of god.

malrenalds · #23 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 12:35 PM

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Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations."

It seems telling to me that Einstein Gain fame by grasping this very thing. One thing people should understand about Einstein is that he was a fan of the unknown. and did not like to dismiss anything out of hand. But that is not to say he believed in god.

For any Quote you can find that vaguely resembles a deistic stance there are 4 that contradict it.

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I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it. (Albert Einstein, 1954)

Oregon Elephant · #24 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 12:58 PM

You're mistaking a "personal God" as the only God. When I say Einstein believed in a God, I'm not saying in a personal God that interacts daily with it's creations, but Spinoza's God, which he said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

So pending on how you define "God" Einstein's belief can be argued either way.

xjoe3x · #25 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Zephyr

YouTube - George Carlin - Religion is bull****.

Damn funny video. He makes some good points, and summarizes pretty much why I don't really believe in God.

Your thoughts?

Hey something I can agree with you on.

He is hilarious.

malrenalds · #26 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:05 PM

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So pending on how you define "God" Einstein's belief can be argued either way.

I guess history has shown that people HAVE to use the word god when they mean nature. Because the masses would not understand the idea of a non sentient higher power.

Robert Ingersoll · #27 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mwillman

And yet Einstein believed in God.

I don't have a problem with spirituality or the belief in God but I do have a problem with all the crap that has been done in the name of God.

Einstein believed in Spinoza's god. Which is like saying "I believe in natural phenomenon." To which I say: "no $hit." You've taken Einstein completely out of context.

Robert Ingersoll · #28 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

That's a very broad paraphrase. I'll answer with an actual quote from him (1930) - "I can't answer with a simple yes or no. I'm not an atheist and I don't think I can call myself a pantheist. We are in the position of a little child entering a huge library filled with books in many different languages. The child knows someone must have written those books. It does not know how. The child dimly suspects a mysterious order in the arrangement of the books but doesn't know what it is. That, it seems to me, is the attitude of even the most intelligent human being toward God. We see a universe marvelously arranged and obeying certain laws, but only dimly understand these laws. Our limited minds cannot grasp the mysterious force that moves the constellations."

Einstein has always denied the religious church and organised religion but he never denies the presense of a creator.

Which is all I'm doing. (And actually, yes Einstein does deny to presence of a creator plenty of times.) Religion (organized religion, if you prefer) is complete & utter bull$hit. Which is Carlin's point.

Robert Ingersoll · #29 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Not in a personal God that acted daily to help those that prayed to him. But he believed in a creator of some sort, something that we don't really know anything about.

A blind watchmaker. Nothing more.

Robert Ingersoll · #30 (**permalink**) 05-01-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

You're mistaking a "personal God" as the only God. When I say Einstein believed in a God, I'm not saying in a personal God that interacts daily with it's creations, but Spinoza's God, which he said, "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings."

So pending on how you define "God" Einstein's belief can be argued either way.

By the definition of those who consider themselves religious, Einstein would be an atheist.

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