Lumara, David killed Goliath but I guess he is not a christian because he killed Goliath during a war.....

I am a true christian. If I go to war and kill someone it will be because I had to or self defence. I will have done it for this country. I will still be a true believe and I will still have the lord watching over me and guiding and me and I will go to heaven because I accepted the lord into my heart and I believe in him. So I disagree with you here.

Are you a christian Lumara?

Religion teaches peace and love, as well as non-violence.......killing for some idea that some person conjured up in the imperfect human mind such as patriotism goes against that. It divides humanity against each other when in reality, we are all the same if we take all of our "supposed" differences away.

This is especially so with the spiritual aspects of religion.

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Be careful what you say about the Catholic Church and war. Even though they are typically anti-war, there is a very important part to Catholic doctrine called the "Just War Theory." It consists of two necessary parts to go to war. One, the right to go to war, and the other being right conduct in war. While they may not have agreed with going into Iraq, they do not believe that we should pull out immediately. To do so would cause the deaths of millions, which is a greater violation of Catholic teaching.

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The story of David and Goliath is in the Old Testament which predates Jesus, so, regardless of his actions David couldn't have been a Christian since that is defined as one who follows the teachings of Jesus...Hey Dustin, we need a rolling eyes icon! :p

What a convenient religion you have, Matthew: it's ok to curse at people who have different beliefs and call them names, but as long as you "believe in the Lord" that kind of despicable behavior is ok even though Jesus' main teaching was to love one another. If you somehow missed that teaching, look it up; it's in the gospel. <IMAGINE ROLLING EYES ICON HERE>

Although I have tremendous respect for Jesus and his teachings I do not define myself as a Christian because I refuse to align myself with the many religious hypocrites who claim that label.

I actually find that to be a problem in the protestant faith. (no offense) but they seem to believe if they "believe" in Jesus and truely follow his teachings than they are sure to be "saved" and they do not think good works has anything to do with it. While Catholics believe good works and faith goes together. but jmo, I'm sure there are arguments both ways. and catholics are by no means perfect in their beliefs.

romans 10:9
9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Ephesians 2:9
8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast.

as you can see it is not by works at all that you get to heaven. that is not to say that works don't matter. for example.

james 2:14-17
14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

so do you need works yes but they are not what will save you only belief that christ died for you can do that.

james 1:27
27Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
now i would say this is a really good reason to be in that portion of the world considering that women can't even show there faces in public and where young people are told that if they kill themself in the name of a horible religion IMO then that would be a good reason to go over there.

In Jesus' own words: You must love God with all of your heart and
your neighbor as yourself.

That is what I try to live by.

And?

What does Christ say about this? this thread pertains to Christians...

No, you quote from the old testament...you are not a follower of Christ...his is different teachings from the laws of the Jews...you are an evangelists...and you don't quote Chrsits..

Sure you do...Christ specifically tells you to turn the other cheek.