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Old 05-19-2008, 04:39 PM
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Not when the witnesses cannot agree on simple things. Let's examine but a few:

Jesus sends his disciples out to preach, but in Mark they are told to wear sandals (contradicting Matthew), and are told to take a staff (contradicting Luke):

Matthew 10:9-10
Do not take along any gold or silver or copper in your belts; take no bag for the journey, or extra tunic, or sandals or a staff.

Mark 6:8-9 These were his instructions: "Take nothing for the journey except a staff - no bread, no bag, no money in your belts. Wear sandals but not an extra tunic.

Luke 9:3
Take nothing for the journey - no staff, no bag, no bread, no money, no extra tunic.

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In the NAB I see no difference between Matt and Mark, but do see a difference in Luke. It’s a curious difference but unimportant, since most of the other verbal instructions, especially the important ones, match up.
I did not address your other points as there were no references.
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Old 05-19-2008, 05:01 PM
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To be fair to the portion in bold above, SM believes that the various authors must actually DISAGREE on pertinent facts. How one lives with such cognitive dissonance going on in one's head is beyond me.
Straw Man, and insulting.
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The merit is that it may be the actual truth. If that is the case, if minds are closed on that possibility then the truth will never be known.
No, wrong. Clinging to "gaps" is not science, not proof or a valid agrument. ID has DONE NO RESEARCH, MADE NO FINDINGS AND PRODUCED NO THEORY.

"...if minds are closed on that possibility then the truth will never be known." Your assuption is the "truth" has not yet been found. What evidence or proof do you base this assumption on?

Wanting it to be so, does not make it so.
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Old 05-20-2008, 12:25 AM
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The merit is that it may be the actual truth. If that is the case, if minds are closed on that possibility then the truth will never be known.
Fine, but show us some of the evidence so we can discuss it. It may be the actual truth, but how are we to discern it if you say we can't examine the evidence?
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Straw Man, and insulting.
You're the one who introduced the bit of cognitive dissonance. It's your strawman, not mine. And if you're insulted by it, maybe you should drop the fairy-tales & myths and sit at the big-people's table where we only deal with facts & evidence.
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The merit is that it may be the actual truth. If that is the case, if minds are closed on that possibility then the truth will never be known.
It may be the actual truth that the universe was created when santa claus farted on a cold fusion device built by the tooth fairy and a hollow, pink unicorn, but there doesn't seem to be much point in investigating the possibility unless someone can provide some evidence for it.

ID is in the same boat.
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Wow 24 pages and still no solid answers. Might be santa and the tooth fairy do live.

But I found this to be a very good read if one lets the ugly parts slip by. keep at it as Science is doing the same thing.
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No, wrong. Clinging to "gaps" is not science, not proof or a valid agrument. ID has DONE NO RESEARCH, MADE NO FINDINGS AND PRODUCED NO THEORY.

"...if minds are closed on that possibility then the truth will never be known." Your assuption is the "truth" has not yet been found. What evidence or proof do you base this assumption on?

Wanting it to be so, does not make it so.

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You're the one who introduced the bit of cognitive dissonance. It's your strawman, not mine. And if you're insulted by it, maybe you should drop the fairy-tales & myths and sit at the big-people's table where we only deal with facts & evidence.
Your continued insults are noted- and tallied as points, for me!
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With all those points you've been accumulating:






I know. I shouldn't have posted that, but I couldn't resist.
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