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Old 05-15-2008, 10:04 PM
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Please explain how Darwinism and Nazism are connected.
By the way....what useless protoplasm Ben Stein is. Can't stand him.
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Old 05-16-2008, 04:25 PM
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Sure you have. Funny, that's how ID researchers declare victory also. Just by saying they have.
It has long been established that when a debater resorts to insult, he is doing so because he has exhausted his argument and has been defeated.

With respect to your point, it is actually the evolutionists who have falsely declared victory by declaring the debate over. Obviously, as seen in this thread, it is not.
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Old 05-16-2008, 04:27 PM
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No, it just means you're acting like an idiot who puts style over substance. You're points have already been addressed. You just don't get it yet.
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It has long been established that when a debater resorts to insult, he is doing so because he has exhausted his argument and has been defeated.

With respect to your point, it is actually the evolutionists who have falsely declared victory by declaring the debate over. Obviously, as seen in this thread, it is not.
Your statement shows the typical lack of understanding on how science works.

You and yours want ID to be given equal treatment in schools but, without doing the research, peer review or testing.

ID has not proved ANY PART OF THEIR CONCEPT. As they have no actual theory, their strategy is to identify something that may not be know and then point and scream "See!....how about that!....A designer did that!"

It's an intellectually flawed argument and strategy. Tell me, what's the big accomplishment ID???...what has ID contributed??? What has ID proved???

Tell me what
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It has long been established that when a debater resorts to insult, he is doing so because he has exhausted his argument and has been defeated.
No. That's just called a style over substance appeal.

I did address your argument. Insults were just for my personal amusement.

Any argument you can throw at me I can rebut. I am still waiting for a cogent argument to address, though.

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He is defending ID and Creation....there is no cogent argument.
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He keeps claiming we ought to believe the Bible because he says so, too. I find that "argument" amusing. Apparently, if a lot of people authored the Bible, and they all agree, whatever it says must be true!

I addressed his "a lot of people claim this happened, therefore it did" argument, but it didn't get past his wall of ignorance.
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His use/defense of the Bible is circular reasoning. He just doesn't see it.
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I've been involved in actual "Town Hall" type presentations years ago, and after several dozen concluded that out of, say, 100 people, there will always be 10% that have are not interested in the merits of discussion. Out of these are typically one or two who are there merely to harass, and back-slap their like-minded buddies. These folks do not warrant intellectual thought.
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I like Ben Stein's dry humor... But this is for all of you not just me to express my ideas. The story has links in it if you want more.

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Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists Fri Apr 18, 3:00 AM ET

Ben Stein Vs. Sputtering Atheists - Yahoo! News

I confess that when the producers of Ben Stein's new documentary "Expelled" called, offering me a private screening, I was less than excited.


It is a reality of PC liberalism: There is only one credible side to an issue, and any dissent is not only rejected, it is scorned. Global warming. Gay "rights." Abortion "rights." On these and so many other issues there is enlightenment, and then there is the Idiotic Other Side. PC liberalism's power centers are the news media, the entertainment industry and academia, and all are in the clutches of an unmistakable hypocrisy: Theirs is an ideology that preaches the freedom of thought and expression at every opportunity, yet practices absolute intolerance toward dissension.

Evolution is another one of those one-sided debates. We know the concept of Intelligent Design is stifled in academic circles. An entire documentary to state the obvious? You can see my reluctance to view it.

I went into the screening bored. I came out of it stunned.

Ben Stein's extraordinary presentation documents how the worlds of science and academia not only crush debate on the origins of life, but also crush the careers of professors who dare to question the Darwinian hypothesis of evolution and natural selection.

Stein asks a simple question: What if the universe began with an intelligent designer, a designer named God? He assembles a stable of academics — experts all — who dared to question Darwinist assumptions and found themselves "expelled" from intellectual discourse as a result. They include evolutionary biologist Richard Sternberg (sandbagged at the Smithsonian), biology professor Caroline Crocker (drummed out of George Mason University), and astrophysicist Guillermo Gonzalez (blackballed at Iowa State University).

That's disturbing enough, but what Stein does next is truly shocking. He allows the principal advocates of Darwinism to speak their minds. These are experts with national reputations, regular welcomed guests on network television and the like. But the public knows them only by their careful seven-second soundbites. Stein engages them in conversation. They speak their minds. They become sputtering ranters, openly championing their sheer hatred of religion.

PC liberalism has showered accolades on atheist author Richard Dawkins' best-selling book "The God Delusion." But when Stein suggests to Dawkins that he's been critical of the Old Testament God, Dawkins protests — not that Stein is wrong, but that he's being too mild. He then reads from this jaw-dropping paragraph of his book:

"The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully."

Dawkins has a website. Its slogan is "A clear-thinking oasis."

It's understood that God had nothing to do with the origins of life on Earth. What, then, is the alternate explanation? Stein asks these experts, and their very serious answers are priceless. One theorizes that life began somehow on the backs of crystals. Another states electric sparks from a lightning storm created organic matter (out of nothing). Another declares that life was brought to Earth by aliens. Anything but God.

The most controversial part of the film follows Stein to the Dachau concentration camp, underlining how Darwin's theories of natural selection led to the eugenics movement, embraced by Adolf Hitler. If there is no God, but only a planetary lab waiting for scientists to perfect the human race, where can Darwinism lead? Stein insists that he isn't accusing today's Darwinists of Nazism. He points out, however, that Hitler's mad science was inspired by Darwinism.

Now that the film is complete, the evolutionist prophets featured in the film are on the warpath inveighing against it, and the alleged idiots who would lower themselves to watching it. Richard Dawkins laments how the film will solicit "cheap laughs that could only be raised in an audience of scientific ignoramuses." Minnesota professor and blogger P.Z. Myers predicts the movie is "going to appeal strongly to the religious, the paranoid, the conspiracy theorists, and the ignorant —— which means they're going to draw in about 90 percent of the American market." Myers and Dawkins now both complain they were "duped" into appearing in the movie (for pay).

Everyone should take the opportunity to see "Expelled" — if nothing else, as a bracing antidote to the atheism-friendly culture of PC liberalism. But it's far more than that. It's a spotlight on the arrogance of this movement and its leaders, a spotlight on the choking intolerance of academia, and a spotlight on the ignorance of so many who say so much, yet know so very little.

L. Brent Bozell III is the president of the Media Research Center. To find out more about Brent Bozell III, and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at Creators Syndicate - Celebrating 20 Years as a World-Class Syndicate Of Talent.

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And this from a man who had a quiz show, "Win Ben Stein's Money", where contestants were challenged to "best" him, in trivia and obscure "brainy" queries. How could anyone know if he wasn't privy to the questions/answers prior to them being asked, and therefore held an "unfair advantage"?
Self-indulgence at best, and attention seeking, at worst.
Ben Stein thinks himself as a plausible alternative to God Almighty.
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