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Old 05-12-2008, 09:27 PM
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And what corroborates them? They all have the same agenda.

And no, I'm not saying that the Gospels are just made-up ****, but I have discerned that you have no proof they aren't.
Again, they are four individual works. They corroborate each other. (You repeat the same question with nothing new so I repeat the same answer.)

Their "common agenda" is the truth.
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:35 PM
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Again, they are four individual works. They corroborate each other. (You repeat the same question with nothing new so I repeat the same answer.)

Their "common agenda" is the truth.
That's like saying four articles from the same think tank corroborate each other.

Not gonna fly, sorry.
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Old 05-12-2008, 09:56 PM
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That's like saying four articles from the same think tank corroborate each other.

Not gonna fly, sorry.
Mark was written in Rome, mostly to the Gentiles, in the late 60’s or early 70’s. Matthew was written in Galilee to educated Jews ten years later. Luke to early Christians in Greece, mid 80’s. John: to Jews, Gentiles and early Christians in Syria with an early edition in the 50’s followed by a main addition in the 90’s.

Not exactly a conspiratorial think tank.
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So the lesson is that they all were propaganda geared to convert different groups, so they told each group what it wanted to hear to make it more palatable.
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The automatic discount isn't illogical at all, given what we know of reality. Miracles don't happen, and they are so absurd as to be dismissed as the myths they are. You can't walk on water, you can't turn bread to flesh, and wine won't spontaneously come from water. You can't heal the sick with a touch.

Yes. I can surely discount them. THere is no evidence they happened other than the people who wrote the Gospels say so. Thats effectively worthless as evidence due to such extreme claims. There are many anecdotes saying homeopathy works, even though it doesn't. There's no reason to believe otherwise just because anecdotes say so.
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I don't see the comparison. We are talking about written testimony here.
In all honesty, I think the comparison is valid. There are all kinds of books which have been written in the last two thousand years, and not all of them are accurate. The Bible works if you believe it is accurate, but there is not much evidence to confirm this accuracy other than that same book itself.

It strikes me as a lot like the verses of Nostradamus. You have to take a LOT of it on faith.
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So the lesson is that they all were propaganda geared to convert different groups, so they told each group what it wanted to hear to make it more palatable.
Nope, they are all people with the same agenda and belief system.
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So the lesson is that they all were propaganda geared to convert different groups, so they told each group what it wanted to hear to make it more palatable.
Is that why the authors were ostracized from their respective societies?
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Is that why the authors were ostracized from their respective societies?
And Galileo was condemned by the Catholic Church for going against the church's ideology. You can always find comparisons.
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The automatic discount isn't illogical at all, given what we know of reality. Miracles don't happen, and they are so absurd as to be dismissed as the myths they are. You can't walk on water, you can't turn bread to flesh, and wine won't spontaneously come from water. You can't heal the sick with a touch.

Yes. I can surely discount them. THere is no evidence they happened other than the people who wrote the Gospels say so. Thats effectively worthless as evidence due to such extreme claims. There are many anecdotes saying homeopathy works, even though it doesn't. There's no reason to believe otherwise just because anecdotes say so.

How do you explain the miracles in the Old Testament? Are those authors part of the conspiracy as well?
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