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Old 05-12-2008, 04:50 PM
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And how do you know the Gospels aren't just made-up ****?
That would have to be a conspiracy and you don't have any evidence of that.

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Unless I get to cross-examine the authors I regard them as hearsay.
That's convenient. How do you prove anything that happened in history?
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:42 PM
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That's convenient. How do you prove anything that happened in history?
The same could be said of religion. Some believe and some don't. But in the end it's all about faith.
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That would have to be a conspiracy and you don't have any evidence of that.
Do you have any evidence that it isn't a conspiracy?

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That's convenient. How do you prove anything that happened in history?
Uhh, I think he said by cross-examining the authors.

The thing about the Gospels is that there is no other evidence to corroborate them, just them.
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The same could be said of religion. Some believe and some don't. But in the end it's all about faith.
I don't see the comparison. We are talking about written testimony here.
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Do you have any evidence that it isn't a conspiracy?



Uhh, I think he said by cross-examining the authors.

The thing about the Gospels is that there is no other evidence to corroborate them, just them.

Normally when an accusation is made the accuser is required to defend the position. In this case, aren’t you accusing the Gospel writers of a conspiracy?

“Them” are four individual works. They corroborate each other.
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I don't see the comparison. We are talking about written testimony here.

"...written testimony..."...really? how many versions of the Bible are there? why are their different version of the Bible? How many "Books of.." have been discarded over the years?

You are defending a very, very week position.
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"...written testimony..."...really? how many versions of the Bible are there? why are their different version of the Bible? How many "Books of.." have been discarded over the years?

You are defending a very, very week position.
With this logic we could go on for weaks...

There is one Bible. There are many translations of it.
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The Gospels don't exactly jive with one another. They give different accounts, and often, it's sparse. They were written after the fact by different people who couldn't even get their accounts of what happened straight.

You can automatically discount all the nonsensical stuff about miraculous happenings, though. Historic authors of antiquity were known for making **** up from Herodotus on down.
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The Gospels don't exactly jive with one another. They give different accounts, and often, it's sparse. They were written after the fact by different people who couldn't even get their accounts of what happened straight.

You can automatically discount all the nonsensical stuff about miraculous happenings, though. Historic authors of antiquity were known for making **** up from Herodotus on down.
Copied from my earlier post: “They are four different affidavits from four different witnesses, each who had a differing perspective. They don’t contradict the basic facts of Jesus’ life. If they were identical that would be evidence of a conspiracy.”

They were written by Greek students of the Apostles. Prior to the Greeks, the culture of the time considered verbal history to be a normal standard.

Your “automatic discount” is illogical.
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Normally when an accusation is made the accuser is required to defend the position. In this case, aren’t you accusing the Gospel writers of a conspiracy?

“Them” are four individual works. They corroborate each other.
And what corroborates them? They all have the same agenda.

And no, I'm not saying that the Gospels are just made-up ****, but I have discerned that you have no proof they aren't.
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