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Old 03-22-2008, 12:30 AM
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Hey, the Nuremburg rallies transported to the 21st. century! You Americans just don't get it yet do you.
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I know, “been there done that.” Lets do it again…

The idea came from an environmental thread I posted in where I referred to a tree as a device or gift that regulates the earths oxygen produced by the oceans.

Anyhoot, since the earths been turning she’s had an oxygen level of ~21%.
We know that trees don’t release oxygen at a constant, yet you can go anywhere in the world and observe oxygen constant at ~21%. Personally I suspect land based plant life is responsible for the regulation thus a device having been designed.

The thread isn’t about trees, but I’d like to discuss the certainty of how Darwinist believe things like, “how mother nature knew there were smells so she could design us a nose” and sh_t.

uhhh, im not sure what you're talking about. You need to make a coherent topic question.
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~Snip~ I’d like to discuss the certainty of how Darwinist believe things like, “how mother nature knew there were smells so she could design us a nose” and sh_t.
~Snip~ Okay. We'll discuss how you think a magical man in the sky made us so we could be blindly faithful
Interesting concept indeed. An aware being believing she (You’re a chick right.) can pop into existence, yet in denial of an aware being existing outside of the continuum.
Our intellect can’t reach needed levels anymore then yours on cause and effect of the big bang.
It is mindset that directs you to not see both equally.

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Hey, the Nuremburg rallies transported to the 21st. century! You Americans just don't get it yet do you.
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Interesting concept indeed. An aware being believing she (You’re a chick right.) can pop into existence, yet in denial of an aware being existing outside of the continuum.
Our intellect can’t reach needed levels anymore then yours on cause and effect of the big bang.
It is mindset that directs you to not see both equally.

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As for consciousness, we don't know enough about it to make even an educated guess. I know I'm self-aware, but I don't know about you, bub. You don't know any better than anyone else. Anyone who does claim to know is either an arrogant jerk or a con-man.
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Interesting concept indeed. An aware being believing she (You’re a chick right.) can pop into existence, yet in denial of an aware being existing outside of the continuum.
Our intellect can’t reach needed levels anymore then yours on cause and effect of the big bang.
It is mindset that directs you to not see both equally.

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That doesn't make sense. What are you arguing?
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Old 03-22-2008, 01:33 AM
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That doesn't make sense. What are you arguing?
It would help if he didn't have piss-poor grammar.
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"Mother Nature" don't know nothin'. Trees are not made to regulate oxygen. Trees were not "made" for anything. They were the result of genetic selection and attrition resulting in an organism that uses sunlight and CO2 to create Glucose, which it then utilizes ("burns") to release energy and, in the process, oxygen and H2O.
Lets not forget my all time favorites, “coffee and cigarettes.”
You know, for that thing inside our own device.

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The atmosphere is 21% O2 because that's the level where the factors of biological O2 production, biological O2 consumption, chemical recombination, and probably things that I don't understand reach a stable equilibrium. This happens to be just right for the animals living on the Earth's surface because those animals are evolved to use the oxygen present, which is 21%.
There are no other constants occurring that would result in such a thing. A random universe wouldn’t even have constant physical laws to have formed in the first place, it would be a real b_tch. Yesterdays tomorrows and today’s last years while up and down occur at the same time and sh_t.

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We have a nose because some distant ancestor of mankind at the cellular level had a set of proteins designed to detect certain chemicals and other proteins as a survival instinct. As life evolved, a similar concept formed for multicellular organisms. Being able to detect changes in what chemicals are present in the air is a natural survival trait. Also, since the cavity where air is pumped into the lungs is naturally exposed to great quantities of air, it was the natural location for a chemical sensing organ. Hence, a nose.
Are you looking at what your saying while remembering there’s no direction for it to know how to do this or even that it needs to?

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The reason Intelligent Design believers don't "get" evolutionary theory is because they assume right off the bat that something designed everything. Even when you state that your theory is based on there not being an intelligent designer, they continue to subconsciously assume one (hence the "mother nature" comment).
Whats not to get, anyone can make up a theory and prove it.

Lets see, I propose that photons are a byproduct of light and not light itself.
Hey, a few grants and a life’s work...
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For the OP:

"The priests of the different religious sects. . . .dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight, and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subdivision of the duperies on which they live." - Thomas Jefferson

Hey SpaceCowboy, maybe you can toss up Hoyle's Boeing 747 so I can pick that apart.

Creationists -->>

"And I thought and thought and thought. But I just didn't have enough to go on, so I didn't really come to any resolution. I was extremely doubtful about the idea of god, but I just didn't know enough about anything to have a good working model of any other explanation for, well, life, the universe, and everything to put in its place. But I kept at it, and I kept reading and I kept thinking. Sometime around my early thirties I stumbled upon evolutionary biology, particularly in the form of Richard Dawkins' books The Selfish Gene and then The Blind Watchmaker, and suddenly (on, I think the second reading of The Selfish Gene) it all fell into place. It was a concept of such stunning simplicity, but it gave rise, naturally, to all of the infinite and baffling complexity of life. The awe it inspired in me made the awe that people talk about in respect of religious experience seem, frankly, silly beside it. I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance any day." - Douglas Adams.

And finally, to paraphrase Daniel Dennett, the idea that it takes a big fancy smart thing to make a lesser thing is the trickle-down thoery of creation (and works just about as well as the trickle-down economic theory). You'll never see a spear making a spear-maker. You'll never see a horse shoe making a blacksmith. You'll never see a pot making a potter. But Darwin's discovery of a workable process that does that very counter-intuitive thing is what makes his contribution to human thought so revolutionary, and so loaded with the power to raise consciousness.

So, trot out Hoyle's 747 & Archaeopteryx. I'm sure that's where you & the other creationists are heading. I'm waiting with baited breath to pick it apart.
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