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Old 03-24-2008, 01:02 PM
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They don't.
"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

"Blessed are the peacemakers" Matthew 5:9

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Old 03-24-2008, 01:34 PM
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"Fight in the way of Allah." 2:190, 2:244

"Blessed are the peacemakers" Matthew 5:9
That works both ways

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If they seek peace, then seek you peace. And trust in God for He is the One that heareth and knoweth all things.
Quran, 8.61
And the servants of Allah... are those who walked on the earth in humility, and when the ignorant address them, they say 'Peace'"...
Quran, 25.63
Allah is with those who restrain themselves."
Quran, 16.128
Matthew 10:34“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword”

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
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Old 03-26-2008, 05:41 PM
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Matthew 10:34“Think not that I am come to send peace on earth; I came not to send peace, but a sword”

Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations . . . then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.
With regards to the Koran, you simply point out one of its many inconsistencies.

Matthew 10 is Jesus' instructions to his disciples. Paragraph 34 is what He will do, not what He instructs them to do.

With regards to Deuteronomy, that is within the Old Testament. The issue that we are discussing are the teachings of Jesus.
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With regards to the Koran, you simply point out one of its many inconsistencies.

Matthew 10 is Jesus' instructions to his disciples. Paragraph 34 is what He will do, not what He instructs them to do.

With regards to Deuteronomy, that is within the Old Testament. The issue that we are discussing are the teachings of Jesus.
When it's the Quran it's an inconsistency, when it's the Bible it's a... not-inconsistency?
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When it's the Quran it's an inconsistency, when it's the Bible it's a... not-inconsistency?
Within the context of historical relevance and fullfilled scriptures, please show us where the Bible is inconsistent.
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Equating all Arabs with Islam is like saying that all Isrealis are Jews or that all Italians are Roman Catholics.

Rediculous!

Not all Arabs are Muslim and not all Muslims are Arabs.
OK, I'll accept your statement.
If an Arab living under Sharia Law, (90% of Arabia is Muslim) commits one infraction he will be tried, judged and penalized by Sharia Law.
Not a good day for him. Especially if he is a homo or a woman who has been raped. Or just a woman who has sat in a car for a short period of time with a man she does not personally know. Bad choice under Sharia Law.
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And I will grant you that there are many applications of Sharia law that are cruel and unusual, especially to us westerners.

however, let's keep in mind that similar 'laws' existed, and in many places still exist, which were based on the Bible much like Sharia law is based on the Koran. The church, especially the Catholic church has used 'religious 'law' to persecute thousands if not millions over the centuries.

yes, nowadays, we've moved beyond that, thanksfully, but keep in mind that Christianity had a 600 year head start over Islam, so in a sense it can be (and has been) said that Islam is in it's 'middle ages'. Think what Christian Europe was like in the 1400s. The Inquisition, public immolations, excommunication for saying the earth is round or not the center of the universe.

While we don't hear about them in the media which cares only for BAD news, there are many people in the Middle East and in EVERY Muslim community outside the ME working to reform Islam and bring it into accord with the modern world.
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Incorrect, sharia law teaches much that is worth taking attention of, including the fact that Muslims should obey the law of the land. It also promotes charity and brotherhood, fair trade, women's rights, individual freedoms, equality, tolerance and democratic participation. All these at a time when Europe was coming out of the dark ages and invading all in sight and going on ruthal crusades. I could go on but there is no real need.
I hope that cool aid came in your favorite flavor. lol

You could go on but you don't really want to deal with the fact that Sharia Law is the greatest tool in any tyrant's bag of tricks.
European Christians, "in the dark ages" that's why they called it the dark ages. An era Christianity no longer resides in.
Due to the ignorance and conniving manipulation that took place by low life politicians who took on themselves the mantle of Christianity for the evil purpose of sacking Muslim lands and killing innocent people. Muslims taking on the cloak of Islam for the purpose of the power that the religion can steal for them are no better than those phony European Christians.
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Within the context of historical relevance and fullfilled scriptures, please show us where the Bible is inconsistent.
I'd like to see you do the same for the Quran. Historical context is very important when interpreting post-Hijra scripture such as sura 2.
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I hope that cool aid came in your favorite flavor. lol

You could go on but you don't really want to deal with the fact that Sharia Law is the greatest tool in any tyrant's bag of tricks.
European Christians, "in the dark ages" that's why they called it the dark ages. An era Christianity no longer resides in.
Due to the ignorance and conniving manipulation that took place by low life politicians who took on themselves the mantle of Christianity for the evil purpose of sacking Muslim lands and killing innocent people. Muslims taking on the cloak of Islam for the purpose of the power that the religion can steal for them are no better than those phony European Christians.
You are one of those people who think that all Sharia law is the same aren't you?
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