What do you guys think about the contraversy over the movie and the books?

I personally think the book is great so far. I cannot wait to see the movie. I am quite tired of uptight christian types sticking their noses into media and making a big deal out of something just becuase they dont agree with it. A christian came up to me while i was carrying the book and said "Can I burn this"? and i said "Can i burn the bible"? They said "This is your bible"? To which i responded "No, but i disagree with the bible, and i would not burn that".

It really ticks me off actually

One of the problems Christians (as a group) have is that they lack any real sense of perspective. There are thousands of books and movies that support Christian ideals and denigrate EVERYBODY else's, but along comes a movie that doesn't do that and they scream like banshees about Christians being persecuted.

The fact that they have been killing people in other religions--and in their own--for centuries seems to escape them entirely. Even their own holy book says that as you sow that also shall you reap. Well they've been sowing the wind with their sectarian violence and persecution of everybody else for nearly two thousand years, so maybe they are about due to reap some of the whirlwind that their actions have caused.

Most Christians don't know diddlysquat about the history of their own religion and this insulates them from some really painful truths--ignorance truly is bliss in this instance. Their religion has been splitting off new sects at a rate of more than 1 per year since the time of Jesus, they all claim to be right and not one of them has the tiniest shred of proof. There isn't even any proof that Jesus ever existed. Personally, I think much of the stuff that Jesus supposedly said is good, but Christians don't practice what Jesus taught. In all the time I've been posting on discussion sites and arguing with Christians I have never heard a single one of them mention--let alone advocate--what Jesus said were the two MOST important commandments in the Bible. Instead they rain Hellfire and brimstone on gay and transgendered people, on other religions, on non-religous folks, and on other sects of their own religion. I think that the cross should be the new universal symbol for hyposcrisy--Heaven knows they've worked hard enough to make it so.

"There are some things we don't want to know, important things!" --Ned Flanders

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I don't care either way personally. Although I might add it is kind of low to try to convert people to be atheists as the author has admitted to doing. Although if people are converted by a movie or books they were not to strong in their faith. If parents don't want their kids to read it, then don't let them read it.

The problem really stems from the fact that people of some religions are taught that belief, even if it makes no sense or you would otherwise dismiss it because all evidence points to something else, is what you need to go to Heaven.

When you create a whole group of people who have been trained to not think for themselves (no offense) and are conditioned to view theirs as the only way and that if you stray you will be damned, you can understand why they would overreact when that status quo is threatened.

If you make them think and you make them start to question, they start to believe they may be damned and they will react very badly.

Are you saying that it is "low" to try to convert people to atheism, but not "low" to try to convert them to which ever religion you espouse?

Do you work for FOX news? Because that was some impressive twisting of words there.

I think people need to define what "convert" means. Its one thing to tell people of your faith, what its meant in your life and how you feel it might help a person in their life. Its another thing all together to browbeat and tell people they're going to Hell because they don't believe the way you do.

I've seen the movie.

They did leave out the pro-atheism/ anti-Christian elements that are in the books.

What the movie does do is illustrate how people in power abuse it and why it is important to question the "why" of things instead of just following orders blindly.

If Christians or other religious groups are threatened by that, maybe they should take a closer look at why.

No lower than getting people to convert to any religion, which all religions openly do.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

How about you explain your verbal assault on me, Jimrin? I used exactly the same words that Dustin did and I asked for a clarification by using his OWN words in a slightly broader context. Your problem with that is... what exactly?