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Old 12-07-2007, 06:37 PM
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The Pledge requirement does not provide an option to disagree. Therefore, there can be no actual agreement expressed either. It just is.
Saying it is consent, no?

You're professing that this is your Pledge.
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Saying it is consent, no?

You're professing that this is your Pledge.
No substantive or meaningful option is offered. The very nature (and origin) of the Pledge made it an offense not to say it. The Courts have forced the position that not-saying the Pledge can't be legally punished.

That's not a meaningful choice. It originates as coercive.
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Old 12-07-2007, 08:46 PM
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Quote from the article: "In 1955, the year after lawmakers added the words "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance, Congress passed a law requiring all U.S. currency to carry the motto "In God We Trust"."

Does anyone know if there was a motto on a dollar bill before 1955?
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I think it should be taken off of the money. No government thing should have anything about god on it. We should not say God Bless America. Not everyone in America is christian. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
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"E Puluribus Unim" was replaced with "In God we trust" in 1863 on some coins and by 1938 it was on all of our coins.

Eisenhower pushed forth putting it on our paper money in 1956 and by 1957 it was the new standard.

God wasn't on our currency, it wasn't in the pledge. It wasn't until the mid 1800's to early 1900's that Christian reconstructionism really started to take place.
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"E Puluribus Unim" was replaced with "In God we trust" in 1863 on some coins and by 1938 it was on all of our coins.
I see. Thank you.
Actually E Puluribus Unim is still there...
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It is still there, just small, very small. Again, I am tired of the entirety of America having to carry around money that supports one particular religion. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
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It is still there, just small, very small. Again, I am tired of the entirety of America having to carry around money that supports one particular religion. It makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
The statement "In God We Trust" does not constitute "support" for any one religion. The phrase is generic, has no formal definition and is entirely non-denominational.

It is also to be noted that US currency is not a product of the US government. It is a product of the private market, though it is tightly regulated by the state. Thus, 'church v. state' arguments are non-applicable.
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I think it should be taken off of the money. No government thing should have anything about god on it. We should not say God Bless America. Not everyone in America is christian. SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!
Personally, I'd settle for a bit of separation between proper spelling and sloppy spelling.

As for your 'church and state' argument, see my post above.
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In "God we trust" could mean anyones god, not just Christianity.
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