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Old 12-05-2007, 12:36 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "causing no problems"- if it's instigating court cases which take up taxpayer dollars to defend, I would call that a problem.

I also don't see addressing wrongs as a problem, but rather a duty.

I also understand the importance of religion in American lives and society - and in MY life - which is why I understand that involving religious slogans on conveyances of commerce is neither important nor an asset to society.
By "causing no problems" I meant that "In God we trust" is not insulting anyone or meaning to insight anything

A major problem is that it has become so accepted as part of the dollar that there is really no point in changing it. Maybe if we changed the form of money.....
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Old 12-05-2007, 12:42 PM
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I don't really read my money very much, honestly, so I don't care. It doesn't affect anything!
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Old 12-05-2007, 06:25 PM
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Take it off for all I care. Or leave it on, it isn't that big a deal. It's not like it's making me do anything.
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See why do we always have to do what the minority's want ? I never have understood that. Why not keep at least a few things like how they were? What real trouble is "in god we trust" causing?
The statement "In God We Trust" printed on the US currency does not violate the principle of separation of church and state.

Ergo, there is no constitutional reason to remove it from US currency.

Those who seek to have it removed are understood to be extremists no different than those who seek to make the USA a theocracy and substitute the rule of law with the rule of God.
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Old 12-06-2007, 07:13 PM
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The statement "In God We Trust" printed on the US currency does not violate the principle of separation of church and state.

Ergo, there is no constitutional reason to remove it from US currency.

Those who seek to have it removed are understood to be extremists no different than those who seek to make the USA a theocracy and substitute the rule of law with the rule of God.
This coming from someone who thinks we should get rid of "under god" from the Pledge.
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This coming from someone who thinks we should get rid of "under god" from the Pledge.
Actually I feel there is a difference as with the pledge it's something your more AGREEING TO, versus something that is just there in a way.
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Old 12-07-2007, 02:50 PM
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Point taken. Still a bit of a stretch to call them fanatics, though.
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This coming from someone who thinks we should get rid of "under god" from the Pledge.
Actually, no.

I consider the Pledge of Allegience to be obnoxious, undemocratic and an insult to liberty regardless of whether or not it includes the phrase "under God". That just makes it worse in my opinion, but removing it wouldn't make it much less oboxious, undemocratic and insulting to liberty.

I don't believe that the phrase itself ("under God"), used in that way, constitutes a violation of the Constitutional prohibition against establishment and thus is quite unlikely to be 'struck down' on that account by any Court.

I dislike the phrase ("under God") because it is a violation of the principle of separation of church and state. But I don't see any legal grounds to say it must be removed. I would rather see the Pledge itself banished rather than reform it.
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Actually I feel there is a difference as with the pledge it's something your more AGREEING TO, versus something that is just there in a way.
The Pledge requirement does not provide an option to disagree. Therefore, there can be no actual agreement expressed either. It just is.
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