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Old 02-21-2008, 06:12 PM
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No symbolic gesture imitates causing harm to another.
It's not allowed to remember? No mark is allowed to be left by it.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:16 PM
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However, as I'm here...women should not have to cover up or give a thought to any of that old tosh. Men should exercise self-control and not attack women because they lack it.
The command to be modest in this manner extends to both males and females, and believe it or not many women find the modest dress to be empowering as they are not looked upon as sex objects, but rather as humans with thoughts and opinions.

The Muslim college students in Turkey have been widely protesting the head scarf ban in colleges.

Christians are ordered to be modest in appearance as well in the Bible.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:18 PM
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Besides modesty is culture based. Women who wear jeans in Turkey are still considered to be following the rules of modesty.
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but I wonder why women in many Moslem countries are treated so poorly if their holy book only has nice things to say about them.
Ignorance has no fence.

Pakistan, Bengaldesh, Turkey and Indonesia has women head of their governments. When was the last time the US, France and Russia had a woman head of its government?

The US has the largest women in jails followed by China - And surely both of those countries are Muslim-majority nations.

According to Amnesty International (2006) - 100,000 new prostitute are annually added into US market - and Israel is only country which has legalized sex-slavery - with an average of 5,000 White Christian women sold to Jews for sex-slavery. Why AI did not mentioned a Muslim country for such huge crimes?

And the list goes on....
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:22 PM
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Ignorance has no fence.

Pakistan, Bengaldesh, Turkey and Indonesia has women head of their governments. When was the last time the US, France and Russia had a woman head of its government?

The US has the largest women in jails followed by China - And surely both of those countries are Muslim-majority nations.

According to Amnesty International (2006) - 100,000 new prostitute are annually added into US market - and Israel is only country which has legalized sex-slavery - with an average of 5,000 White Christian women sold to Jews for sex-slavery. Why AI did not mentioned a Muslim country for such huge crimes?

And the list goes on....
What's wrong with prostitution?
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See this is the difference between Christianity and Islam...God tells us to love our wives (and enemies even), and Allah tells you to beat them.
Let us first see how much your God tells you to love your wives.....and then I will explain how much Muslim husbands beat their wives...okey!

The Dark Bible: Women's Inferior Status
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:26 PM
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Let us first see how much your God tells you to love your wives.....and then I will explain how much Muslim husbands beat their wives...okey!

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Most of that is not practiced in modern Christian dominated society.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:33 PM
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The command to be modest in this manner extends to both males and females, and believe it or not many women find the modest dress to be empowering as they are not looked upon as sex objects, but rather as humans with thoughts and opinions.

The Muslim college students in Turkey have been widely protesting the head scarf ban in colleges.

Christians are ordered to be modest in appearance as well in the Bible.
There is no assertion that women are perceived as sex objects, they are perceived as subservient and as property.

How can that mode of dress empower? Walking around wearing a sack? Women like pretty things. I recently posted an article to support a different thread, about Iraqi women who are forced to live under this religious regime.

One was warned not to wear colourful head-coverings as it draws attention and religious extremists in Iraq are murdering significant numbers of women for not adhering to these guidelines.

This woman was forced by fear to cover her head, but still attempts to bring the "pretty things" which women love into her attire by choosing appealing colours. It is not empowering, it is oppressive IMO.
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Old 02-21-2008, 06:40 PM
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There is no assertion that women are perceived as sex objects, they are perceived as subservient and as property.

How can that mode of dress empower? Walking around wearing a sack? Women like pretty things. I recently posted an article to support a different thread, about Iraqi women who are forced to live under this religious regime.

One was warned not to wear colourful head-coverings as it draws attention and religious extremists in Iraq are murdering significant numbers of women for not adhering to these guidelines.

This woman was forced by fear to cover her head, but still attempts to bring the "pretty things" which women love into her attire by choosing appealing colours. It is not empowering, it is oppressive IMO.

That is part of the conservative backlash to western influence in the region. That isn't the way that Islam has to be at all. Most Muslims are not even Arabs and do not live in the Middle East.

Most western converts to Islam are women, and they do convert because they feel that Islam empowers them.

Muslim-American Women Find A Voice In American Society - U.S. Embassy Islamabad Pakistan
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Let us first see how much your God tells you to love your wives.....and then I will explain how much Muslim husbands beat their wives...okey!

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Weak. You know very well that most of those verses have zero to do with the way a Christian is supposed to live. In almost every one of those instances, the verse is relevant ONLY to the specific person whom God is speaking to.
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