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Old 08-22-2008, 01:59 AM
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It is a bit tongue-in-cheek. But, as with all such articles, it contains a grain of truth--in fact, a very large grain, I would argue.

Here is a little from Townhall.com:

"With yet more apologies to Jeff Foxworthy, you just might be a liberal if...

* "You blame the oil companies for high gas prices, but believe in doing everything humanly possible to keep them from drilling for more oil.

* "You'd have no problem with a Democratic President talking with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Kim Jung-Il without conditions, but would be very upset if he started seriously negotiating with Republicans over national security or energy issues.

* "You don't see a conflict between 'supporting the troops' and trying to insure that they lose the war that they're fighting.

* "You think the solution to an underperforming economy is higher taxes, more regulations, and publicly attacking businesses, but don't understand how that relates to the phrase, 'The beatings will continue until morale improves.'"

Here is the remainder: Jon Sanders :: Townhall.com :: 25 Reasons You Might Be A Liberal (Part 2)

Some are better than others (as might be expected).

Personally, I would prefer the construction, You might be a left-winger if...since "liberal" is a rather imprecise term--what it now means and what it historically has meant are two entirely different things--but that is a small point.

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Old 08-22-2008, 02:01 AM
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You see truth in that bull s h i t?

I feel sorry for you. You're brainwashed by the extreme right wing pundits.
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my goodness, it is just partisan jokes, they have them for both sides. Lighten up a little.
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You see truth in that bull s h i t?
Can you give me a couple of examples of that with which you disagree--preferably, from the first four points, which I quoted? (I really thought those were among the best, and most irrefutalbe.)
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Can you give me a couple of examples of that with which you disagree--preferably, from the first four points, which I quoted? (I really thought those were among the best, and most irrefutalbe.)
Well, for me, I'd disagree with 3 and part of 4.

3) Makes the assumption that leaving the nation is surrendering. I feel that it is passing the duty to those that should be bearing it.

4) I only disagree with the 2nd have of it "the beatings will continue," since the health of the economy is not just moral, that would imply that it is entirely emotional.
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* "You blame the oil companies for high gas prices, but believe in doing everything humanly possible to keep them from drilling for more oil.
I don't blame oil companies for the high gas prices. I blame the fact that we are running out of oil.

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* "You'd have no problem with a Democratic President talking with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Kim Jung-Il without conditions, but would be very upset if he started seriously negotiating with Republicans over national security or energy issues.
I would be okay with either of those things.

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* "You don't see a conflict between 'supporting the troops' and trying to insure that they lose the war that they're fighting.
You don't see a conflict between 'supporting the troops' and leaving them out there to die.

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* "You think the solution to an underperforming economy is higher taxes, more regulations, and publicly attacking businesses, but don't understand how that relates to the phrase, 'The beatings will continue until morale improves.'"
The solution to our economy is probably making corporations stop outsourcing jobs.

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* You tell everyone who'll listen that Bush is "worse than Hitler" and that Republicans are fascists, but you never stop to consider that if that were true, you'd be dead or in a gulag already.
Gulags are not Hitlerist constructions.

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* You're surprised that people don't think you're patriotic just because you were photographed not holding your hand over your heart during the national anthem and made a big deal out of refusing to wear a flag pin.
Yes, because we all know that's what patriotism is about. Wearing a flag pin and holding your hand over your heart during the national anthem.

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* You think Christmas songs at school plays shouldn't be allowed because they might offend people who don't believe, but don't understand what the problem is supposed to be with government funded "art" that defiles Christianity.
As long as they sing songs for all the other major holidays of all the other major religions represented in the school...

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* Your idea of "reparations for slavery" is white people who have never owned slaves giving money to black people who were never slaves, more than a hundred years after slavery ended.
Yes, that's what it would be. Would your idea involve time-travel?

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* You "assure us that deterrence will work, but when the time comes to deter, (you're) against it." -- Ann Coulter
If you're quoting Ann Coulter, you know you've run out of points.

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* You think celebrities are just exercising their right to free speech when they criticize conservatives, but believe that the celebs are having their First Amendment rights abridged if anyone criticizes them for their comments.
I don't know anyone who believes this.

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* You called George Bush, "George Herbert Walker Bush," and George Allen, "George Felix Allen," but think someone referring to Barack Obama as "Barack Hussein Obama" is a racist.
It isn't racist, but it is generally an attempt to draw attention to his "foreign" middle name.

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* You think we should give condoms to thirteen year-olds because "they're going to do it anyway," but feel that we can get rid of every gun held by criminals in the U.S. simply by making them illegal.
Not I!

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* You think Anita Hill was telling the truth about Clarence Thomas, but Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Linda Tripp, Dolly Kyle Browning, Sally Perdue, Kathleen Willey, and Juanita Broaddrick -- among many others -- are all lying about the Clintons.
How is this hypocritical?

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* You "are willing to do whatever it takes to defend the American public from terrorists...as long as the French and Germans say it's OK
No, I am not. The ends don't justify the means.

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* You continually claim that we don't do enough for the poor, but you want to add 12-20 million more of them to the ranks by giving illegal aliens American citizenship.
??? Don't see the point of this one.

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* You blame "society" for creating the conditions that turn people into criminals, but you don't think that gives "society" even more of a moral obligation to lock those criminals away so that they won't hurt innocent people.
I don't know anyone against the imprisonment of criminals.

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* There's a conflict between America and any other country, over just about any topic, and you're more likely to side with the other nation than your own.
So? Supporting your own country all the time leads only to fascism.

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* You believe that fanatical Muslims who want to fly planes into our skyscrapers aren't a serious threat to the U.S., but Christians are.
That's because they aren't. And neither are Christians, unless they want to do away with separation of church and state.

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* You think we can improve our health care system by putting the same government that brought us FEMA, ICE, Airport Security, and the IRS in charge of it.
Yeah.

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* You believe that conservative criticism of Barack Obama's abilities is primarily driven by racism, but actual race-based criticism leveled at Clarence Thomas, Michelle Malkin, and Condi Rice by liberals obviously has nothing to do with race.
Strawman.

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* You live in a great and free nation like America and can use phrases like "audacity of hope" or "speaking the truth to power" without the slightest hint of irony.
Yep. And we're not particularly free, just to tell you.

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* You say, "Why do they hate us?" when America is attacked and "we're just furthering the cycle of violence" when we retaliate.
Some of us would like to know why. And are you saying that retaliating is not furthering the cycle of violence?

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* You generally mean "threatening to the interests of the Democratic Party" or "Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton needs some more money" when you use the word "racist."
No, I don't. Nor do I know anyone who believes that. Strawman again.

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* Your first thought after hearing that someone who publicly criticized murderers actually murdered someone himself is, "What a hypocrite!"
That's the very definition of hypocrite. What is a conservative's first thought when they see something like this?

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* You tell anyone who'll listen that our elections are fraudulent and then you fight tooth and nail to prevent states from requiring a photo ID to vote.
Don't see anything bad about this one.
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Well, for me, I'd disagree with 3 and part of 4.

3) Makes the assumption that leaving the nation is surrendering. I feel that it is passing the duty to those that should be bearing it.
I think that our leaving premturely--before Iraq can be fully stabilized--would indeed be tantamount to surrender, just as it was in Vietnam, when US troops exited Saigon hastily and chaotically in 1975. This would leave the country to be divvied up between two radical, anti-American (and anti-Western) groups: the Wahhabist al-Qaeda, controlling the central part of Iraq; and the Shiite-dominated Iran, controlling the southern part.

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4) I only disagree with the 2nd have of it "the beatings will continue," since the health of the economy is not just moral, that would imply that it is entirely emotional.
I think the purpose of the analogy (which I found to be right on point) is that beatings are just as useful for the purpose of lifting morale as rasing taxes, adding layers of new regulations, and bad-mouthing American business is for the purpose of stimulating the economy.
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I don't blame oil companies for the high gas prices. I blame the fact that we are running out of oil.
I won't dwell upon the obvious point (i.e. that "peak oil" theories come in a variety of timelines--take your pick). More importantly, we could help to drive down the price of oil--almost immediately, in all probability, by dampening the speculation that has driven up oil prices over the past few months (though they have fallen steadily the past few weeks)--by announcing that we will soon be drilling off coastal waters, drilling in ANWR (yes, I am aware that even Sen. McCain remains intransigent about this), and extracting oil from shale in the Western United States.

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I would be okay with either of those things.
It is heartening to know that you "would be okay" with a Democratic president's "seriously negotiating with Republicans over national security or energy issues." You should be aware, however, that among left-leaning Democrats, you are clearly in a minority on this issue.

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You don't see a conflict between 'supporting the troops' and leaving them out there to die.
The conflict mentioned is between one's supporting our troops "and trying to insure that they lose the war that they're fighting." It has nothing to do with a desire for "leaving them out there to die," as you have attempted to spin it.

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The solution to our economy is probably making corporations stop outsourcing jobs.
And how, exactly, would you go about accomplishing this goal?

Also, you have sidestepped the pertinent question, viz.: Do you favor "higher taxes, more regulations, and publicly attacking businesses," either in whole or in part? And, if so, how do you suppose any of these actions might benefit the economy?

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Gulags are not Hitlerist constructions.
Are you suggesting that Hitler was not a totalitarian? Or that totalitarians are not prone to try to silence their opposition? Or both?

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Yes, because we all know that's what patriotism is about. Wearing a flag pin and holding your hand over your heart during the national anthem.
Such actions fall into the "necessary, but not sufficient" category. At least, in this context. No, it is not necessary for all Americans, at all times (or at any time, for that matter), to wear a flag lapel pin, in order to demonstrate patriotism. But Sen. Obama's refusal to do so, under the circumstances, seemed rather odd. And there is no reason to ever refuse to do the hand-over-the-heart thing during the National Anthem.

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As long as they sing songs for all the other major holidays of all the other major religions represented in the school...
What does your reply have to do with "government funded 'art' that defiles Christianity"? Moreover, your response implies a congeniality to the concept of Multiculturist America--which is a concept I reject out of hand.

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Yes, that's what it would be. Would your idea involve time-travel?
Not sure what that means. The statement to which you have responded is that you might be a liberal if "[y]our idea of 'reparations for slavery' is white people who have never owned slaves giving money to black people who were never slaves, more than a hundred years after slavery ended." Are you saying that you do or do not believe in the concept of reparations for slavery, in the belief that this atrocious institution has left a "lasting legacy" of inequality that must be "redressed," in the language of its proponents?

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If you're quoting Ann Coulter, you know you've run out of points.
Ann Coulter is a bit too acerbic and strident for my own tastes; so I would much prefer that someone else had been quoted on this matter. Even so, I agree with her observation that one hallmark of leftism is that those who adhere to this philosophy are prone to "assure us that deterrence will work, but when the time comes to deter, [they are] against it."

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I don't know anyone who believes this.
Then you haven't been paying attention.

More later.

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