Fair enough. I just thought most of them (and especially the first few) were right on target.

It may be that you cannot easily (and fairly) be pigeonholed. Both "liberal" and "conservative" are rather imprecise terms; and each comes in a variety of different (and often contradictory) flavors.

In some ways, I don't much care for "subtlety or nuance"--as, for instance, in the conduct of foreign affairs. (I am not a fan of State Department America--to put it mildly.) But in other ways, I can appreciate your point--which is to say, whenever important principles are not at stake, but merely matters of judgment.

The Founding Fathers lived in the 1790s. For one thing, they didn't really believe in much freedom, and for another, they were the leftists of the 1790s.

It is now 210 years later.

I think they would probably be what you would call radical leftists if they lived today.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

They would be considered left leaning libertarians, but not leftists, as in liberals. Conservatives would likely love to have them here, neoconservatives would likely not, since many of them advocated for non-interventionism. Thoy would not go for democratics or modern liberals because they would not support so many social programs. They wouldn't fall on "right" or "left" and definately would like to go back to their own time ASAP, after seeing our current country.

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Set your destination with your heart, get there with your mind.

"The wisest men follow their own direction." - Euripides

Damn it! It didn't say "moral," it said "morale." Go learn the difference between the two words.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Agreed....and again Zeph...finsh your primary and I'll hook you up with 'scholars.' If I did so now, you would find it necessary to pop uppers in order to remain awake during the conversations.

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The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish! - Frederick Bastiat