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Old 08-18-2008, 05:01 PM
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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Welfare
welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

sounds pretty open ended to me.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:22 PM
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welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

sounds pretty open ended to me.
Right, the UNITED STATES, not THE PEOPLE.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:25 PM
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welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

sounds pretty open ended to me.
This is a statement based upon ignorance or maleducation on the subject

This is called 'equality under the law' .... something that we ignore now.

I find it amusing that this the left always brings this up. Yet....most refuse to acknowledge the existance or importance of the preamble to the bill of rights.

Also...it is quite typical to no recognize the following three words "OF THE UNITED STATES."

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The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Therefore, this clause is indicating that no state shall receive any benefit from the federal government that is not given to all.
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Old 08-18-2008, 05:31 PM
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welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

sounds pretty open ended to me.
But you can't use a 21st century definition and apply it to an 18th century document. A definition that is much closer to what would have been understood in the late 18th century is these from 1828:

1. Exemption from misfortune, sickness, calamity or evil; the enjoyment of health and the common blessings of life; prosperity; happiness; applied to persons.2. Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government; applied to states.

As applied to government, it's the second definition that applies.
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The main disadvantage to being a libertarian is being too paranoid to leave your bunker when you need to go potty.
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Old 09-02-2008, 11:07 PM
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welfare n. 1. health, happiness, or prosperity; well-being.

sounds pretty open ended to me.
Now, here's what the word meant at a time much more contemporaneous to the writing of the Constitution. From an 1828 dictionary:

WELFARE, n. [well and fare, a good faring; G.]
1. Exemption from misfortune, sickness, calamity or evil; the enjoyment of health and the common blessings of life; prosperity; happiness; applied to persons.2. Exemption from any unusual evil or calamity; the enjoyment of peace and prosperity, or the ordinary blessings of society and civil government; applied to states.

The second definition is how the word applies to the federal government.
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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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Old 09-02-2008, 11:08 PM
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The main disadvantage to being a libertarian is being too paranoid to leave your bunker when you need to go potty.
A good libertarian would have a full bathroom in the bunker.
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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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Old 09-02-2008, 11:38 PM
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A good libertarian would have a full bathroom in the bunker.
He'd still have to leave the bunker to empty it.
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Old 09-03-2008, 12:03 AM
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He'd still have to leave the bunker to empty it.
No, because it would be modern plumbing. At the very least the waste would go into a septic tank.
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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

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Old 09-03-2008, 12:11 AM
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Please, they would have a small nuclear reactor to provide all the power they would ever need, and with it, they would make a poo cannon to get rid of their waste and launch it at their enemies to show how much they hate the way others are running the country.
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