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Old 08-08-2008, 01:45 PM
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But how do you know they don't provide enough room for everyone that wants to attend? Were there more than 3,700 people that registered to attend the convention and, consequently, some of those people were turned away?
That doesn't matter, they have hundreds of thousands of members (probably millions), and only 3,700 seats. Simple math, they don't have enough seats for everyone.

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It isn't that libertarianism is unpopular. In fact, there are quite a lot of people who espouse libertarian ideals. It's that the Libertarian Party is not that popular because of people like you, the Democrats, the Republicans, and the media idiots who keep on telling them that only the Democrats and Republicans have a chance of winning or not voting for a Democrat or a Republican is to steal a vote from the Democrat or Republican or third parties aren't viable; it's that state laws make it much harder for parties other than Democrat and Republican to get on the ballot; it's that the media won't report other parties the way they report Democrats and Republicans. The system is intentionally rigged against other parties.
If a third party earns my vote, they'll get it, but they have to earn it first. Rather than whining that people don't vote for them, they should be earning votes, not trying to get pitty votes.
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:47 PM
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But they do not provide enough room for everyone that wants to attend. 3,700 seats is not enough for everyone in the party. Unless you think that Libertarianism is that unpopular that it has less members than the KKK.
Our delegate count was only 1000 (based upon previous electoral results). Soooooooo 2700 additional seats were provided for 'guest'
Only 652 delegates attended.
There was plenty of room for more.

If you are suggesting that we should have 'paid' for people to attend...that isn't going to happen.
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Old 08-08-2008, 01:48 PM
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That doesn't matter, they have hundreds of thousands of members (probably millions), and only 3,700 seats. Simple math, they don't have enough seats for everyone.
But are they actual members (as in registered, dues-paying members) or are they just people who've registered to vote that way?



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If a third party earns my vote, they'll get it, but they have to earn it first. Rather than whining that people don't vote for them, they should be earning votes, not trying to get pitty votes.
So, even though Democrats or Republicans don't actually earn your vote, you'll prostitute your vote to them anyway?
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But are they actual members (as in registered, dues-paying members) or are they just people who've registered to vote that way?
Based that it is one of the largest parties in our country (3rd), I would say that they have more than enough members (due payers).

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First, you don't decide who has earned or has not earned my vote. Second, they've done far more to earn it than the LP has.
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First, you don't decide who has earned or has not earned my vote. Second, they've done far more to earn it than the LP has.
Yeah, bankrupting our nation, subverting our Constitution, and undoing hundreds of years of Enlightenment political development generally earns the vote of a reactionary, big-government, mini-tyrant. When you're ready to join us in realityland, let us know.
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Yeah, bankrupting our nation, subverting our Constitution, and undoing hundreds of years of Enlightenment political development generally earns the vote of a reactionary, big-government, mini-tyrant. When you're ready to join us in realityland, let us know.
Clinton left with a surplus, I don't worship the constitution, and it's those that do worship the constitution that want to send us back 230 years, politically, economically, and socially. When you wake up from the past and come to the present, let us know.
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Clinton left with a surplus, I don't worship the constitution, and it's those that do worship the constitution that want to send us back 230 years, politically, economically, and socially. When you wake up from the past and come to the present, let us know.
A surplus....after 100 years of Democrat and Republican deficits and debt. That's like overspending 11 months out of the year, ending December with $100 extra cash, and then claiming to be fiscally responsible.

I don't worship the Constitution, I respect it as LAW and worship the notion of ENUMERATED GOVERNMENTAL POWERS. Clearly the Constitution as written is insufficient to deal with modern questions of governmental policy, hence the AMENDMENT process. I like to see the government AMEND the constitution and THEN perform an action, rather than have them simply discard the document in the same of what is "necessary". If our government can ignore the Constitution at will, then so can I, and thus I can declare the power of Congress to legislate null and void. See how stupid that sounds?

Constitutional governance is the Mecca of enlightenment thinking. It restrains government and declares men sovereign entities, not bound to a lord or land not of their choosing. Government of limitless power is reflective of archaic thinking reminiscient of the Middle Ages, and Tsarist Russia. It is you sir who lives in the past, a past characterized by oppression, violence, and degredation.
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Clinton left with a surplus, I don't worship the constitution, and it's those that do worship the constitution that want to send us back 230 years, politically, economically, and socially. When you wake up from the past and come to the present, let us know.
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A surplus....after 100 years of Democrat and Republican deficits and debt. That's like overspending 11 months out of the year, ending December with $100 extra cash, and then claiming to be fiscally responsible.
Yeah, when you're only running the finances for december, and that month makes a positive, then you (as an individual) can claim to be fiscally responsible. Grouping people together by what dead people of the past have done is intellectually lazy.

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I don't worship the Constitution, I respect it as LAW and worship the notion of ENUMERATED GOVERNMENTAL POWERS. Clearly the Constitution as written is insufficient to deal with modern questions of governmental policy, hence the AMENDMENT process. I like to see the government AMEND the constitution and THEN perform an action, rather than have them simply discard the document in the same of what is "necessary". If our government can ignore the Constitution at will, then so can I, and thus I can declare the power of Congress to legislate null and void. See how stupid that sounds?
That does sound stupid, but you make the assumption that every individual is completely sovereign. You choose to live under this government, then you choose to live under it's rules, whether you like them or not.

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Constitutional governance is the Mecca of enlightenment thinking. It restrains government and declares men sovereign entities, not bound to a lord or land not of their choosing. Government of limitless power is reflective of archaic thinking reminiscient of the Middle Ages, and Tsarist Russia. It is you sir who lives in the past, a past characterized by oppression, violence, and degredation.
Says the person who admits to "worship the notion of ENUMERATED GOVERNMENTAL POWERS."

You can call yourself enlightened when you stop looking at labels like democrat and republican, and start looking at the actual people running for office. Until then, you are just as archaic as the slave owning founding fathers.
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