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Old 06-06-2008, 02:25 PM
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Who was it that said Libertarians are just Republicans that have lost all faith in the system.
Some dumb guy, that really does not work.
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Old 06-06-2008, 02:42 PM
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Roughly, I suppose.

I could counter by arguing that the Union countries are increasingly unable to function as independent entities and that their steady trend towards greater unification and cooperation supports my more nationalist paradigm.
The same kind of thing has been happening here in the US despite the very clear lines of demarcation set in the Constitution.
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Old 06-06-2008, 05:09 PM
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The same kind of thing has been happening here in the US despite the very clear lines of demarcation set in the Constitution.
I can't disagree, there. Then again, we differ on the merits of Constitutional fluidity.

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It's very funny how so many libertarians lean against their own economic interests.

You all claim to support freedom in the market, but an unregulated market will end up being anything but free--and it will end up being anything but a market.

So you support freedom even when it is just irrational to do so.

And where do you get your interpretation of what the government should and should not do? A 232-year-old piece of parchment.
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Old 07-05-2008, 10:17 AM
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It's very funny how so many libertarians lean against their own economic interests.

You all claim to support freedom in the market, but an unregulated market will end up being anything but free--and it will end up being anything but a market.

So you support freedom even when it is just irrational to do so.

And where do you get your interpretation of what the government should and should not do? A 232-year-old piece of parchment.
Yes if we wanted our vote to buy us money like some others then you could call us greedy, but wanting what is right is not bad.

Not completely unregulated.

I have never supported freedom when it is irrational to do so..
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I most definitely am not wealthy. I work at HEB Superstore. Selfish? I don't think so. After all, I'm donating my whole summer to work as a volunteer at a nursing home. Greedy? If I had excess money to donate, I probably would.

So I am a non-greedy, non-selfish, non-wealthy libertarian. Woot.
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Yes if we wanted our vote to buy us money like some others then you could call us greedy, but wanting what is right is not bad.

Not completely unregulated.

I have never supported freedom when it is irrational to do so..
I would disagree.

And allowing the wealthy to essentially enslave the poor is not right. Regardless of what you think is "freedom."
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I would disagree.

And allowing the wealthy to essentially enslave the poor is not right. Regardless of what you think is "freedom."
That is an enterpretation of what you see and is not nessicarily true. The poor are not enslaved, as they can quit their employer at any time (of which slaves could not do) and go into business for themselves.
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The poor are not enslaved, as they can quit their employer at any time (of which slaves could not do) and go into business for themselves.
Blithely said. A lot of these grand theories presume far more economic and functional mobility of action and freedom than actually exists in the real world.

Sure, you CAN quit, but how may are there that are working 2-3 jobs they despise because to just up and quit would be distastrous. How many folks have a few months worth of money set aside to live on while they jobseek? How are you going to "start your own business", when you've just quit? You have a few hundred thousand in your couch cushions, there? Come on.....

The worst kind of poverty is what's called "functional poverty". You make just enough not to qualify for any aid, but you're completely stuck, living paycheck-to-paycheck.

Just saying that high-minded theory and actual practice may not jive.
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I have heard it many times on this forum. For some reason many yell that libertarians are selfish, self-centered, greedy, or a whole bunch other similar adjectives. This could not be further from the truth. Of course some people that are libertarians are greedy. That does not go with the philosophy though. Libertarianism is about keeping liberties and keeping the government small so it does not become oppressive. If no one noticed most of the time libertarians are out there supporting other peoples freedoms that they do not even use. I am sure many, if not all, of the libertarians on this board can attest to this. For me some examples are gay rights, drug legalization, nudity, and many other liberties that I have advocated for. Even if we personally think some of those things are wrong we support others right to do them as long as they are not harming others.

The same goes for many economic matters. Many, probably most, of us are not wealthy. We support economic freedom and that is not just our freedom, other peoples economic freedom. Is it all about liberty, as the name suggests, and more importantly it is not about the liberty of us but everyone in this country.
Yes, we want our liberties, rights, freedoms, etc and do not think that anyone else should be able to take them. If that makes me greedy then oh well. I think I can live with myself. Although if you take into consideration that libertarians want other people to have those same rights I don't see how you could say their greedy.
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