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Old 04-16-2008, 02:54 PM
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It works well in Australia it seems so what would stop it working here in Britain or in America? A small cultural change may be required but I see no reason why that couldn't be achieved.
Many people there like it, that does not mean it "works well".

Many people like gun control, but that does not "work well".

Many people like the War on drugs, but that does not "work well".
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Many people like it, that does not mean it "works well".
Well it does seem to work well doesn't it, the political parties are able to put their efforts into explaining their policies, people are getting involved in politics and people do support it. Show me how it's not working well.
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Well it does seem to work well doesn't it, the political parties are able to put their efforts into explaining their policies, people are getting involved in politics and people do support it. Show me how it's not working well.
It does not seem like it works to me. I think choice is a better system. I think candidates should just explain policy regardless. I went over the problems I have with it. After which I asked why it was good. The only good answer I got was the it increased time the candidates spent on policy.
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in australia, we have a system of compulsory voting. if you are on the electoral role, you are legally required to attend on polling day and vote. this has been the law since 1901 when australia began as a federated nation.

i am interested in how others feel about this arrangement. how would you feel if voting was compulsory? do you think it makes any difference?
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What happens if you don't vote?
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People here are usually given a nominal fine if they don't vote. However if someone makes an issue of it they can be imprisoned. This is the only case I'm aware of but it ws for a breach of an injunction rather than being directly related to the issue of voting.

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It does not seem like it works to me. I think choice is a better system. I think candidates should just explain policy regardless. I went over the problems I have with it. After which I asked why it was good. The only good answer I got was the it increased time the candidates spent on policy.
In what way is it not working?
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In what way is it not working?
The problems that I have already stated.
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The problems that I have already stated.
But you have no evidence that people are making uninformed votes, and your argument about being forced seems weak given the effort needed to vote, which seems to be even less in Australia than in Britain ir America (from what i gather).
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But you have no evidence that people are making uninformed votes, and your argument about being forced seems weak given the effort needed to vote, which seems to be even less in Australia than in Britain ir America (from what i gather).
It was in concept. I think it is safe to say that there are at least some uninformed voters there. Mandatory voting makes those people have to vote. Increased uninformed voters is harmful to the system. The force argument is a principal argument.
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as i have heard in australia, the opposition to compulsory voting tends to be theoretical.

the ignorance argument is i think not good enough. there are plenty of uninformed americans who vote, and plenty of informed ones who do not. in australia, it is the electoral commissions responsibility to ensure there is information available at the polling place, so ingorance on the day is no excuse.

the forcing argument is i think equally flawed. you are, as i said before, not forced to actually vote, nobody checks to see if you filled out the ballot paper properly, you can do what you like with it. but it is compulsory that you attend on the day and get given one to do what you like with. there are plenty of laws that we are all required to follow that infringe on freedoms in small ways. this is no different. voting is still your choice, it is just a legal requirement that you get that choice.

the system aims to deliver a secret ballot to everyone without interference. the law means everyone gets the opportunity. the electoral commission visits hospitals, prisons, nursing homes, etc and there is nobody who would like to vote who can say they were not given the chance.

why is it good? i can equally ask why would we be better off without the compulsory system? would we have more freedom? would society be a better place? unlikely. at best, compulsory voting is irrelevant, but there is little to say it is harmful.
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