How do you feel about this man? This is your founder and founding father liberals.

Richard Marx?

Founding father of liberalism?

You do realize that your statement only proves to us how little you know about Marx or liberalism - or history for that matter.

In case you are curious, liberalism originates in the Enlightenment period and is represented by late 17th century English Whigs, which is some 200 years before Karl Marx ever published a word.

There is nothing even remotely liberal about Karl Marx's work. And yes, I have read (and formally studied) most of his published academic work.

I understand that liberalism in the old days was what you said. But many of the commies have gotten into our school system, and brain washed people into believeing in what Karl marx taught. This has killed more then a hundred million people over the last hundred years. But keep on sleeping.

Really in the 1950s and early 60s this was there goal to get into higher learning, to change the country.

This is as credible as your assertion of the desirability of nuking Iraq.

What proof do you have of that matthew? I am taking a politics course, that is not true.

Communism 1963 Goals Read In Senate

Is Communism Dead? Read Its Avowed 1963 Goals - Sound Just

A Bit Familiar?

UNITED STATES OF AMERICA Congressional Record

PROCEEDINGS AND DEBATES OF THE 88th CONGRESS FIRST SESSION
VOLUME 109-PART 1: JANUARY 9, 1963, TO JANUARY 30, 1963

UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT PRINTING OFFICE, WASHINGTON, 1963

Current Communist Goals

EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963

Mr. HERLONG: Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land. Fla., is an ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America.

At Mrs. Nordman's request, I include in the Record, under unanimous consent, the following 'Current Communist Goals' which she identifies as an excerpt from 'The Naked Communist,' by Cleon Skousen:

(From 'The Naked Communist,' by Cleon Skousen)

CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS:

U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.

U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.

Develop the illusion that total disarmament by the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.

Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.

Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.

Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.

Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.

Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushehev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free election under supervision of the U.N.

Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.

Allow all soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.

Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)

Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.

Do away with all loyalty oaths.

Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.

Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.

Get control of schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers, associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Gain control of all student newspapers.

Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.

Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions.

Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.

Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms."

Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to promote ugliness,repulsive, meaningless art."

Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and TV.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity, as "normal, natural, healthy."

Infiltrate the churches and replace repealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."

Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.

Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."

Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.

Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture-education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.

Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.

Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.

Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.

Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.

Infiltrate and gain control of big business.

Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand or treat.

Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.

Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.

Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.

Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition: that students and special interest groups should rise up and use united force to solve economic, political or social problems.

Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.

Internationalize the Panama Canal.





Seems to me that most of this has happen. Read up on it White rabit.

Remember to post links to articles bro. also yes the communist party is out there but who says liberals are communists? that's like saying conservatives are fascists.

No, the Nazi's were the national liberals=commies. That is why Stalin allowed Hiter to work together from 1938 to 1940. In which time Hiter attacked the USSR,. No they had common goals, but they were slightly different. In no conservatives have nothing to do with fascists at all, we went less government and to give it back to the states. Does not sound very fascist to me. Maybe we like to make sure human life is protected. But who could blame us for defending little babies.

No the NAZI's were facists, not communists. Hitler actually had a great hatred for communists, and thus gave the Russian POW's the worst torture. ;) The NAZI's were no commies.