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Old 12-10-2007, 10:46 PM
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Many of u are of late equating liberalism with Stalinism. Not so. Not so at all, my friends.

You see, you need a two dimensional political scale. One scale is social matters, one scale is economic matters.

LIBERALS: Believe in more personal freedom, and less economic freedom.
LIBERTARIANS: Believe in more personal and economic freedom. These people genuinely believe in small government.
CONSERVATIVES: Believe in less personal freedom and more economic freedom.
AUTHORITARIAN SOCIALISTS*: Believe in less personal freedom and less economic freedom. These are the true "big government" people.

*True communism isn't supposed to work like that, I know, but that's how it's worked in history, so that's what I'll call them unless you can think of a better name.

That's the general distinction; there are two dimensions you need to consider.

FASCISTS: Taking conservatism to the extreme. Fascists believe in union between the government and the corporation, an extreme sort of capitalism if you will.
STALINISTS: Take the concept of "Big Government" to the extreme. Stalinists are similar to Fascists on a social scale, but different on an economic scale.
COMMUNISM: Ideal communism envisions a transition period wherein there is a short-lived Dictatorship of the Proletariat which oversees the transition to a true communist system. In the true communist system, government disappears entirely. There is no class division, and everyone labors for the good of the community. There are no problems in society. (Remember, this is ideal communism, not true communism.)
SOCIALISTS: Socialists are extreme liberals. They believe in state control over the means of production, with no corporations at all.
DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS: Believe in a compromise between socialism and capitalism. These people generally support government programs designed to help the poor, disabled, and disadvantaged, but don't want to get rid of capitalism completely. Most European liberals fall into this category, to the left of most American liberals.

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Just clearing up some definitions.
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The Tetris Factor (why I cant support communism)

Alexey Pajitnov worked hard. He showed genuine talent, in creating the world wide sensation. Millions of dollars went directly to the government. His genius went unrewarded for very long. If the soviet union had not fallen, he may never have gotten what he deserved. I am a liberal but this is just stupid. Rewards bring advancement and that is a huge part of why they fell.
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The Soviet Union was not a communist state, though. It was trapped in the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, remember. Not a true communist state.
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indeed but the concept that robed him was.
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Well communism sounds good to me in a perfect world.
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In a perfect world perhaps, but where or better yet when is that perfect world?
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In a perfect world perhaps, but where or better yet when is that perfect world?
Not here, nor anytime soon.
First of all, money corrupts.
Second, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Resources are not distributed evenly or fairly, so the prospect of war is constant. And with populations increasing, and global warming, things are going to deteriorate.
Until the people of the world start to think like the people on "Star Trek", we're doomed.
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we just need the threat of geting attacked by alliens before we band together, works saw it in robotech, only one problem with that series earth got attack and nearly destoyed
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Not here, nor anytime soon.
First of all, money corrupts.
Second, power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
Resources are not distributed evenly or fairly, so the prospect of war is constant. And with populations increasing, and global warming, things are going to deteriorate.
Until the people of the world start to think like the people on "Star Trek", we're doomed.

Great post!!! So true!!!
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COMMUNISTS*: Believe in less personal freedom and less economic freedom. These are the true "big government" people.

*True communism isn't supposed to work like that, I know, but that's how it's worked in history, so that's what I'll call them unless you can think of a better name.
The Soviets were authoritarian socialists.

That terms seems to cover the 'real-world' version of these so-called communists.

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FASCISTS: Taking conservatism to the extreme. Fascists believe in union between the government and the corporation, an extreme sort of capitalism if you will.
STALINISTS: Take the concept of "Big Government" to the extreme. Stalinists are similar to Fascists on a social scale, but different on an economic scale.
The fundamental similarity between these two groups is their shared passion for authoritarianism. Authoritarianism is best exemplified by the principle of believing that might makes right.
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