|
Welcome to Political Fever - The Political Debate Forums. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest with limited access. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. You can also take part in our Private Debates where you can test your skills against an opponent. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us. After you Register the advertisements will disappear on the site! |
|
||||||
| Political Parties and Ideologies Discuss all political parties and Ideologies here. Everyone is welcome to share their political beliefs here. |
 |
|
|
LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
12-11-2007, 02:30 PM
|
||||
|
||||
Communism cannot work, because the conditions required for it to come to pass cannot work. So saying Communism doesn't work can be established by indicating the the precursors to "Communism" as outlined by Engles and Marx also do not work, and it' s just far too different from human nature to work properly, even if you got around the distribution and calculation problems.
__________________
|
|
12-11-2007, 03:08 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
If the former, you are mistaken and making strawman arguments. If the latter, than I agree. Regarding your comment about "conditions required for it to come to pass...", I respectfully submit that it is indeed in progress as these conditions come to be. The USA is tracking towards the ultimate communist society, exactly as predicted by Marx's core theory. Non-capitalist-based economic activity (and non-socialist-based) is the largest growing category of economic growth in the USA over the last 20 years. And it is to be noted that the rate of return on capital continues to fall in exactly the way Marx predicted it would. This indicates that Marx's theoretical prediction of a future communist society arrising in the USA is still on track. If you want to discuss this issue (substantively), I'll recommend the 1844 Manuscripts for the discussion of Marx's theory of history.
|
|
12-11-2007, 04:48 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder. "I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
|
|
12-11-2007, 07:46 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
(NOTE: I'm making a point here. Just as most libertarians aren't selfish assholes, most liberals are not socialists. Nice try, though.) I'll add a socialist category, though, good idea. *TOP POST EDITED: LOOK BACK ON FIRST PAGE*
__________________
"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds." ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Last edited by Zephyr : 12-11-2007 at 07:54 PM.
|
|
12-12-2007, 12:47 PM
|
|||
|
|||
|
Quote:
There is NOTHING similar between liberals and socialists. They are ideological enemies by definition.
|
|
12-12-2007, 01:15 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder. "I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
|
|
12-12-2007, 01:16 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
__________________
A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder. "I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
|
|
12-12-2007, 10:02 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
Quote:
 Hilary is far, far away from socialism. So is Edwards...you're kidding about their being socialists, right?Quote:
Quote:
Socialists are take economic liberalism to the extreme. Although liberalism is more a social ideology IMO.
__________________
"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds." ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
|
|
12-13-2007, 04:22 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air. "Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder. "I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up." The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation. "Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."
|
|
12-13-2007, 10:25 PM
|
||||
|
||||
|
Quote:
And under no expanded definition are Hilary Clinton or John Edwards socialists. They are not for bigger government or nationalization of any industry.
__________________
"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds." ~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
|
|
| Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests) | |
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
|
|
Linear Mode
