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Old 03-11-2008, 11:23 AM
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These aren't libertarian ideals. Libertarians are against government regulations. All of these answers are for government regulations. These are liberal ideals. Protecting the people through laws and regulations.
That is patent nonsense, and only shows you are at least as ignorant about Libertarian platforms and ideals, as you are about the national Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:25 AM
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Do you think it's OK for a toxic waste company to buy the property next door and dump their toxic waste right next to where you live?
Why on earth would you suppose that? Of course not.

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Old 03-11-2008, 11:27 AM
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These aren't libertarian ideals. Libertarians are against government regulations. All of these answers are for government regulations. These are liberal ideals. Protecting the people through laws and regulations.

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Everyone who was educated before 1980, when the Department of Education was founded, wonders what the hell you're talking about.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:28 AM
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That is patent nonsense, and only shows you are at least as ignorant about Libertarian platforms and ideals, as you are about the national Constitution and Bill of Rights.
Instead of insulting me, why don't you educate us on how a small government without regulations would prevent corporations from dumping toxic waste anywhere they want to?
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:30 AM
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Instead of insulting me, why don't you educate us on how a small government without regulations would prevent corporations from dumping toxic waste anywhere they want to?
A lot of different ways, here's one example:

Step 1. Deregulate toxic waste dumping.

Step 2. Wait for some company to dump toxic waste.

Step 3. Sue that company into bankruptcy in a civil court.

Step 4. Twiddle thumbs while glancing around to see if anyone else wants to give it a try.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:34 AM
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A lot of different ways, here's one example:

Step 1. Deregulate toxic waste dumping.

Step 2. Wait for some company to dump toxic waste.

Step 3. Sue that company into bankruptcy in a civil court.

Step 4. Twiddle thumbs while glancing around to see if anyone else wants to give it a try.
And the families who die of cancer because of the toxic waste that was dumped? They are just collateral damage?
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:40 AM
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These aren't libertarian ideals. Libertarians are against government regulations. All of these answers are for government regulations. These are liberal ideals. Protecting the people through laws and regulations.
Libertarians put the most importance on liberties, as the name implies. They do believe in limited government, not no government. Regulations are fine. They believe some government regulations and laws are needed. There is not rule for no government regulation. Libertarians are not anarchists.
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Old 03-11-2008, 11:42 AM
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And the families who die of cancer because of the toxic waste that was dumped? They are just collateral damage?
They're the benefactors of the most expensive cancer treatments known to man, thanks to their profit from selling off the chemical company they now own.

If you think passing regulatory laws has done a better job than that, let me know.

As an aside, you could regulate such activities as externalities, and I doubt many libertarians would take issue with that.
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:09 PM
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Do you think it's OK for a toxic waste company to buy the property next door and dump their toxic waste right next to where you live?
If the standing law established by your elected representatives poses no bar to that action, then it would be theoretically permissible according to the law.

It would of course be a foolish thing to do given the risk of a lawsuit (the cost of which would probably exceed the alternative cost of proper toxic disposal).

Essentially, you are asking the question about how to deal with negative externalities. Such issues affect all political systems in various ways, not just libertarian theory. Heavily regulated markets under democratic governments are apparently incapable of dealing with a similar effect known as the 'tragedy of the commons'.

Essentially, the flaw is in our legal structure and our eonomic system that places no material value on non-market elements. This is a problem whether one approaches the issue from a libertarian perspective or an authoritarian statist perspective. The problem is not the perspective of approach, but the integral market failure to price non-market goods (fresh air or fish in the oceans).
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Old 03-11-2008, 12:35 PM
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Rabbit, I was having so much fun with my short, sniping answers. Why go and ruin it with a reasonable explanation?
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