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Old 11-25-2007, 05:00 PM
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The Nazis Were Marxists
By Bruce Walker
The Nazis were Marxists, no matter what our tainted academia and corrupt media wishes us to believe. Nazis, Bolsheviks, the Ku Klux Klan, Maoists, radical Islam and Facists -- all are on the Left, something that should be increasingly apparent to decent, honorable people in our times. The Big Lie which places Nazis on some mythical Far Right was created specifically so that there would be a bogeyman manacled on the wrists of those who wish us to move "too far" in the direction of Ronald Reagan or Barry Goldwater.


The truth about the Nazis was that they were the antithesis of Reagan and Goldwater. Let us consider the original Nazi movement and its evolution. The National Socialist movement began in Austria with Walter Riehl, Rudolf Jung and Hans Knirsch, who were, as M.W. Fodor relates in his book South of Hitler, the three men who founded the National Socialist Party in Austria, and hence indirectly in Germany. In November, 1910, these men launched what they called the Deutschsoziale Arbeiterpartei. That party was successful politically. It established its program at Inglau in 1914.

What was this program? It was against social and political reaction, for the working class, against the church and against the capitalist classes. This party eventually adopted the name Deutsche Nationalsozialistche Arbeiter Partei, which, except for the order of the words, is the same name as "Nazi." In May 1918, the German National Socialist Workers Party selected the Harkendruez, or swastika, as its symbol. Both Hitler and Anton Drexler, the nominal founder of the Nazi Party, corresponded with this earlier, anti-capitalistic and anti-church party.


Hitler, before the First World War, was highly sympathetic to socialism. Emile Lorimer, in his 1939 book, What Hitler Wants, writes about Hitler during these Vienna years that Hitler already had felt great sympathy for the trade unions and antipathy toward employers. He attended sessions of the Austrian Parliament. Hitler was not, as many have portrayed him, a political neophyte in 1914.


The very term "National Socialist" was not invented by Hitler nor was it unique to Germany. Eduard Benes, President of Czechoslovakia at the time of the Munich Conference, was a leader of the Czechoslovak National Socialist Party. Ironically, at the time of the Munich Conference, out of the fourteen political parties in the Snemovna (the lower chamber of the Czechoslovakian legislature) the party most opposed to Hitler was the Czechoslovak National Socialist Party. The Fascist Party in Czechoslovakia was also anti-Nazi.


The first and only platform of the National Socialist German Workers Party called for very Leftist economic policies. Among other things, this platform called for the death penalty for war profiteering, the confiscation of all income unearned by work, the acquisition of a controlling interest by the people in all big business organizations and so on. Otto Strasser, the brother and fellow Nazi of Gregor Strasser, who was the second leading Nazi for much of the Nazi Party's existence, in his 1940 book, Hitler and I revealed his ideology before he found a home in the Nazi Party. In his own words Otto Strasser wrote: "I was a young student of law and economics, a Left Wing student leader."


Consider the following text from that platform adopted in Munich on February 20, 1920 and ask yourself whether it sounds like the notional Right or the very real Left:

"We ask that the government undertake the obligation above all of providing citizens with adequate opportunity for employment and earning a living. The activities of the individual must not be allowed to clash with the interests of the community, but must take place within its confines and be for the good of all. Therefore, we demand an end to the power of the financial interests. We demand profit sharing in big business. We demand a broad extension of care for the aged. The government must undertake the improvement of public health."
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they were socialists. they believed in state control of everything, like liberals.
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Not quite, they ran as socialists to gain the support of the people, but once they were in power and had a war to seize perminate hold of power, they implimented some very non-liberal policies, like a secret police, and a very controling social philosophy which is typically a conservative (very extreme conservative allbeit). They had a Totalitarian government (which is very economically liberal and very socially conservative) that used fear and force to stay in power. The high taxes were not used for social programs like health care, but to drive their war.
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Not quite, they ran as socialists to gain the support of the people, but once they were in power and had a war to seize perminate hold of power, they implimented some very non-liberal policies, like a secret police, and a very controling social philosophy which is typically a conservative (very extreme conservative allbeit). They had a Totalitarian government (which is very economically liberal and very socially conservative) that used fear and force to stay in power. The high taxes were not used for social programs like health care, but to drive their war.
And the commies of the USSR and Mao China did not have all that to? They had secret police and all you put up there. Socialists told right from Marx's mouth were to get the nation and the people ready for full on communisium. That is a fact.

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And the commies of the USSR and Mao China did not have all that to? They had secret police and all you put up there. Socialists told right from Marx's mouth were to get the nation and the people ready for full on communisium. That is a fact.
Absolutely, but you're missing one thing. Communism isn't a "liberal" or "left" thing. Like I said, it is socially conservative and economically liberal. It can't be tagged to one side or another.
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Absolutely, but you're missing one thing. Communism isn't a "liberal" or "left" thing. Like I said, it is socially conservative and economically liberal. It can't be tagged to one side or another.
I will have look it up, but karl Marx said something along the line of, Socialistism is th first step to communism. I don't get where it has anything with conservative idea's, and which wants a smaller and less government.

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It really is fascism, where the govt has complete control of your life. It's different than communism, communism is "for the people" but that has a counter affect of the govt running your life, but fascism is where everything is done FOR the government. That of course is a simplistic view but is what I take on it.
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Socialism is the basic path to communism. But conservative ideas don't just want smaller government, they only want it smaller in the economic respect, less governmental control on industry, but they want more governmental control in social issues, like abortion and tracking sex offenders and (from another thread here) to kill those that can't live peacefully with us.

Liberalism (the left) wishes to control economic issues
Conservatism (the right) wishes to control social issues
Communisms wishes to control both.
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It really is fascism, where the govt has complete control of your life. It's different than communism, communism is "for the people" but that has a counter affect of the govt running your life, but fascism is where everything is done FOR the government. That of course is a simplistic view but is what I take on it.
Communusim has never worked for the people. All it has ever been for is death and control. In fact liberalism/socialists are not much different. Facicism is not much different end game but different start. They both kill people and take freedoms away from you. A king is more like a facicist.
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A king is a monarchy, there is a difference. There is also a difference between dictatorship and fascism.
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