This Walker character appears to be dishonest or a dunce. For one thing, the Nazis were fascists, not Marxists. Here are some passages worth reading, by people more eloquent in pointing out the differences than I.

http://simpletricksandnonsense.blogs...s-marxism.html

Fascism is the marriage of corporate and government interests, which is what the Nazis and their allies in Italy practiced despite the rhetoric to the contrary. Marxism -- or communism, rather, is when the state completely takes over and supplants private enterprise. The powerful still rule, it's just the method used to exert it that is different. It may be easy to confuse the two, since both methods involve state control to one degree or another. The only real difference is in which tool of the powerful is used to exert influence over the other tools, and by extension the public; it's merely a matter of a minority of very powerful people controlling the masses. But this is not to say that there aren't real differences or distinctions to be made.

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@ Michael--it's been said, but logic doesn't work on some people around here.

Yeah. That's basically what I was saying. Ukraine was very divided on the issue, actually, and there were in fact just as many pro-Nazi partisan bands there as pro-Soviet ones.

The people in a lot of those places thought the Germans would be better--until they showed they were worse.

The Germans certainly were capable of building a bomb, the Nazis just didn't fund the project enough, according to Wikipedia.
The scientists fudging the research sounds right to me, as well. Maybe it was a combination of both.

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ok, i had put on my flame proof suit and googles so fire away

but why on earth are we discussing this and quite frankly why and/or why is everyone so heated on this topic? i mean i may be missing something but WW2 was over SIXTY YEARS ago. as were the nazis.

there is still some socialism and a little communism (maybe) around but until here recently, i dont think i have heard anything about it in ages.

why are people arguing on whether the nazis were fascist or marxist? and why does anyone now CARE (other than WW2 vets and/or survivors of the Holocaust. i can understand them caring of course)

isnt this all pretty much moot?

I'll tell you why they need to care. Because rabid right-wing retards (alliteration, dig that) feel the need to rewrite history to suit their own political agenda.

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"Moreover, I am cognizant of the interrelatedness of all communities and states...Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly. Never again can we afford to live with the narrow, provincial "outside agitator" idea. Anyone who lives inside the United States can never be considered an outsider anywhere within its bounds."



~Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.

So, the Nazis were Marxists... What an unintelligent and obviously false claim. I'll debate the original post paragraph by paragraph.

This holds no proof or stock. How can anyone possibly have the mental insight to group together Bolsheviks and Fascists, or the Ku Klux Klan and Muslim Extremists? The ideological concepts of each respective group is so different I find this observation absolutely hilarious. The Left Wing is characterizied by progressive thought urging social change for the benefit of common people; all Leftist ideologies incorporate that. Fascism is an ideology that seeks to forge national unities in the name of a State's stature as a superpower; it is fueled by nationalism and at times totalitarianism; it also places the needs of the people subordinate to the needs of the State. The Ku Klux Klan, and White Nationalism in general, preach inequality; thus, clashing with the Left idea of the opposite. The Bolsheviks, as opposed to Fascists, ultimately seek a society that doesn't have a State altogether! I can't figure out how Fascism and the Ku Klux Klan can incorporate any Left ideals.

Next, the Nazis, especially during Hitler's membership and rule, were a definitive Far-Right party. They were ruthlessly totalitarian and supported State ownership of most things, especially the rights of Jews. Along with Jews in Nazi oppression were Homosexuals, the Retarded, Socialists and Communists (...that seems to clash with points of view expressed here, eh?), and many other non-"Aryan" miniorities. They were fueled by German Nationalism-- without it Hitler would never have appealed to the German people like he did. Let's see...Nationalism, totalitarianism, State superiority, the oppression of socialist ideas...c'mon now, Marxist Nazis? I mean, the whole reason why Hitler joined the National-Socialist party was because he was sent there to spy on them (this is the same meeting Hitler is labeled with "the gift of gab" by the Nazi Party members, by the way), as "Workers" was in their name and the German army was watching out for Marxist uprisings after the First World War. And the party was only called a Socialist Workers Party is because they believed in a Nationalist, Anti-Semetic (as Jews were small business owners, etc. and a generally prosperous people, therefore "anti-worker" as the Nazis would have put it) government headed by Working Class white men. The Nazis were not Leftist, nor were they Marxist.

This supplies to the argument nothing.

Yeah, it was a working class party.... because it wanted working class white men to rule it's totalitarian regimes. Just because a movement claims to be a Workers Party does not mean it is truely, in the traditional and definitive sense, socialist. It opposed capitalist classes because they weren't workers and they were Jews.

Mussolini was a former socialist too, look at him, the father of modern fascism. Again, this movement he joined was definitely working class-oriented, but in the wrong way. He was some form of Socialist, but definitely no Marxist.

Yeah, National Socialism is the nationalist workers-up ideology that, since Nazi views, have been associated with a government run by anti-semetic white working class men. I've stress this over and over again. And on Fascist parties opposing the Nazis, Fascism is anti-working class, Nazis were not, it's that simple. And either way, Hitler and Mussolini were strong allies during the Second World War.

They called themselves Leftists because of their radical working class views and with working class views does come a sympathy for non-governing workers, thus I'm sure socialistic policies could have struck the Nazi's fancy. I do not deny they are Socialists, but all this article is proving is that they are Socialists, not Marxists. This holds no argument relating Nazis and Marx. Of course they were Socialist... that's obvious. But this is an off-topic article and now that I look back I have frankly no idea why I bothered reply. Onward, though.

As I said, socialistic views may have emerged, but look: "We demand profit sharing in big business"? They were Capitalists in many ways, and working-class oriented nationalists in others. I mean, the party was actually called "German Workers Party" until Hitler came along and further influenced its nationalist, anti-semetic leanings; they renamed the party the "National Socialist German Workers Party" a few years before Hitler became Channcellor in 1933.

In conclusion, were the Nazis Socialist? Of course. Marxist? No way.

There is always a strong effort on the right to paint Hitler and the Nazis as leftwingers.

I can only speculate that they need to do this as a method of trying to recover all that was good with Nazism (i.e. militarism, imperialism, Jew-baking and racism generally).

Just the social policies they want attack - thus, the accusations that the Nazis were socialists.

Really quite colorful actually, if they weren't doing it as a way to cover their own politics.