The Nazis Were Marxists - Page 2 - Political Fever

Oregon Elephant · #11 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 09:57 PM

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It really is fascism, where the govt has complete control of your life. It's different than communism, communism is "for the people" but that has a counter affect of the govt running your life, but fascism is where everything is done FOR the government. That of course is a simplistic view but is what I take on it.

Yes, Fascim is total governmental control for the good of the government, and communism is total governmental control for the good of the nation (usually for the people as a whole, so they claim).

Matthew · #12 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 09:58 PM

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Socialism is the basic path to communism. But conservative ideas don't just want smaller government, they only want it smaller in the economic respect, less governmental control on industry, but they want more governmental control in social issues, like abortion and tracking sex offenders and (from another thread here) to kill those that can't live peacefully with us.

Liberalism (the left) wishes to control economic issues
Conservatism (the right) wishes to control social issues
Communisms wishes to control both.

In what is so wrong about being against killing millions of young babies? We treat murder as illigal, why not all kinds of murder? Yes we conservatives should work to keep this nation free and stay away from controls. But there is a place for government.

Matthew · #13 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 09:59 PM

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Yes, Fascim is total governmental control for the good of the government, and communism is total governmental control for the good of the nation (usually for the people as a whole, so they claim).

Both kills, and both are not good,,,

Oregon Elephant · #14 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:00 PM

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Communusim has never worked for the people. All it has ever been for is death and control. In fact liberalism/socialists are not much different. Facicism is not much different end game but different start. They both kill people and take freedoms away from you. A king is more like a facicist.

Communism's entire goal is for the people as a whole. It has never been for death and control. That was by a lunatic dictator, not communism. A dictator can take control of any governmental philosophy and begin killing a large degree of people and taking away freedoms, that doesn't effect the meaning of the government that was in placed prior to that dictator.

Matthew · #15 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:00 PM

God bless our founding fathers that put checks and balances into place. I wish we would of listen to them closer.

Matthew · #16 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oregon Elephant

Communism's entire goal is for the people as a whole. It has never been for death and control. That was by a lunatic dictator, not communism. A dictator can take control of any governmental philosophy and begin killing a large degree of people and taking away freedoms, that doesn't effect the meaning of the government that was in placed prior to that dictator.

How would real communism work? I mean with out any reason to work or get out of bed. That things would fall apart fast. Do you agree or disagree?

Oregon Elephant · #17 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:02 PM

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In what is so wrong about being against killing millions of young babies? We treat murder as illigal, why not all kinds of murder? Yes we conservatives should work to keep this nation free and stay away from controls. But there is a place for government.

What you're missing is that is a form of control, I'm not taking a side of whether it is right or wrong, but it is a form of governmental control.

Matthew · #18 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:04 PM

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What you're missing is that is a form of control, I'm not taking a side of whether it is right or wrong, but it is a form of governmental control.

We have laws against murder. So it is governmental control. Really to a point a little governmental control is not a bad thing.

Dustin · #19 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:04 PM

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Both kills, and both are not good,,,

Ok, so you now agree Nazi's were not COMMUNISTS.

Oregon Elephant · #20 (**permalink**) 11-26-2007, 10:07 PM

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How would real communism work? I mean with out any reason to work or get out of bed. That things would fall apart fast. Do you agree or disagree?

Real communism would work the same way that it has worked in nature for millions of years, in all insect colonies. Ants, Bees, Termites, and Wasps all have their societies organized in the same way that communism strives for. I don't see how you get "without any reason to work or get out of bed."

Because in WW2, we saw the lack of effort and enthusaism that the Russians had in working and fighting for their country (even though it was somewhat driven out of lies and propoganda, they still willingly through their lives away for it).

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