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Old 01-07-2008, 08:13 AM
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yes, and if you discount WW2 there has been now war that needed fighting. Every other war has resulted in many dead and no real improvements.
I'm afraid i disagree here. There is no other war that we the UK had to fight. But other peoples have been right to fight IMO. I said it was right to fight the nazis because they looked to occupy and rule us. Likewise i think the PLO were right, Iraqi's were right to fight back when we invaded, the Egyptians were right to fight back at Suez etc. I also unsurprisingly support revolution when peaceful struggle has been exhausted, such was the case in Cuba.
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Old 01-07-2008, 08:21 AM
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I'm afraid i disagree here. There is no other war that we the UK had to fight. But other peoples have been right to fight IMO. I said it was right to fight the nazis because they looked to occupy and rule us. Likewise i think the PLO were right, Iraqi's were right to fight back when we invaded, the Egyptians were right to fight back at Suez etc. I also unsurprisingly support revolution when peaceful struggle has been exhausted, such was the case in Cuba.
When you use violence you are doomed to fail. Look at all the examples you have given. We can argue over whether Cuba has failed or not but if it has succeeded it was not because of violence. Also look again at Iraq, I'm not saying it was right, but we invaded Iraq because of the threats of violence and Saddam's violent regime, had it been peaceful we would not have attacked it.
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When you use violence you are doomed to fail. Look at all the examples you have given. We can argue over whether Cuba has failed or not but if it has succeeded it was not because of violence. Also look again at Iraq, I'm not saying it was right, but we invaded Iraq because of the threats of violence and Saddam's violent regime, had it been peaceful we would not have attacked it.
I agree they were often dooomed to failure. Egypt for instance had no hope of defeating Britain, France and Israel, but it had to try. If it showed unwilling to defend itself then it would become a target for every international bully.

And Iraq's violent regime was a product of Iraq's history, a history where we occupied it twice and put power in the hands of a king, a revolution followed and the rest as history as they say. It was our original violence that produced the circumstances that allowed for saddam.
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I agree they were often dooomed to failure. Egypt for instance had no hope of defeating Britain, France and Israel, but it had to try. If it showed unwilling to defend itself then it would become a target for every international bully.

And Iraq's violent regime was a product of Iraq's history, a history where we occupied it twice and put power in the hands of a king, a revolution followed and the rest as history as they say. It was our original violence that produced the circumstances that allowed for saddam.
Exactly, hence peace is obviously what we should use. We can't just keep making excuses for violence, but make a stand now and achieve peace.
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I'm afraid i disagree here. There is no other war that we the UK had to fight. But other peoples have been right to fight IMO. I said it was right to fight the nazis because they looked to occupy and rule us. Likewise i think the PLO were right, Iraqi's were right to fight back when we invaded, the Egyptians were right to fight back at Suez etc. I also unsurprisingly support revolution when peaceful struggle has been exhausted, such was the case in Cuba.
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