Actually they should be encouraging wearing baggy pants: if the criminals are sighted the pants will sag so low they'll make the wearer fall down, thus allowing the police to catch them.

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"I find no black men appealing, they look like giant monkeys." -LilithIshtar (some member of another forum I used to be part of)

Either that or these thugs will hold their pants with one hand while they run. Either way, it looks really goofy - worse than the clothes we wore when I was in high school during the disco era (and those were, well, let's just say it's not a style worth emulating).

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

LOOOONG Essay Warning. I was inspired by this. LOL. I hate the fad, but I hate stupidity and waste of tax money worse yet.

I agree this is silly and a waste of taxpayer time and money. Taxpayers should tell the police chief so turned off by the "national nuisance" that he should spend their money doing something REAL.

Doesn't anyone out there in Flint have a problem with how much money each appearance ticket issued for this silliness will cost in taxpayer dollars? Its not just Officer Barney's salary, its the vehicle, the gas, the salary of the judges, court clerks, prosecutors and public defenders and possibly (probably) lengthy, costly and time consuming appellate challenges to the constitutionality as a matter of law and as applied.

I think the fad is one of the most obnoxious and least aesthetic I have ever seen. Boring, too. Ugly as hell, unappealing to the max, but far from "indecent". Get real. We've seen boxer shorts of nearly every major movie actor (and some actresses...) and underwear of all kinds is displayed in movies, in tv shows, tv and magazine ads, for decades. Ever seen Chevy Chase in boxer shorts with NO pants? Ever catch Sigourney Weaver in Alien as she was settling down in her cotton skivvies and t shirt for her long ride home? Madonna popularized showing underwear everywhere and anywhere twenty five years ago and is still showing it. Chicks have been wearing peekaboo bras, bustiers, corsetry and panties for years, now, in public. And to REALLY put this in perspective as a "decency" issue.....quite frankly, the 1955 Sears mail order catalog was way sexier and more revealing than this fad. If you were alive in 1955 and didn't have a Sears mail order catalog in your house, you probably didn't have enough money to even buy underwear.

I'd rather see all body tatoo (including face, with extreme piercings, stretching, and add ons) than somebodies donald duck boxer shorts bagging out over the top of saggy pants, or butt crack hanging out. At least the extreme body tatoos, peircings and the like have freak and shock value, and a kind of horrible fascination, even if all they do is make one shudder at the thought of having "that" done.

But how boring and unaesthetic and uninspiring is boxer shorts and butt crack?

Low rise hip huggers of the sixties and seventies at least were sexy....FAR more sexy for what they ALMOST revealed than for what they actually revealed. And BAGGY pants (as opposed to saggy pants) were never sexier than when Sammy Hagar strutted with his pegged harem pants hanging in loose folds and clinging here and there to his....considerable attributes. LOL.

David Lee Roth and Cher used the "don't show it all" to great effect when they bondaged themselves up in leather outfits with butt cheek cutouts...but still didn't show butt crack. Why didn't they? Fashion Flash!!! Saggy paints with boxer shorts and butt crack showing IS NOT aesthetically appealing. Doesn't make one "gangsta". Doesn't make one sexy.

Now nobody appreciates a nice male backside more than I, but please, fellas, if you MUST show your underwear and butt crack, do it while you are whipping them off. Go ahead, moon me...if its good (probably even if its not) I'll clap and whistle!!! Then you can turn around and I'll clap and whistle some more. LOL. But if you want to make me yawn and think of a baby with poopie pants, use the boxer short, butt crack cleavage and saggy pants "fashion statement".

There was a girl quoted in the article that said said boys with saggy pants are "cute". That "cute" designation alone should turn off about 89% of guys from this mode of dress. I haven't met too many guys who like anything about them to be called "cute". Not even many gay guys seem to like being thought of as "cute" unless they are transexually inclined, and really want to take a woman's role and dress and be thought of as a woman.

Here's another secret. It makes women feel like you're "cute" in the sense that they think a two year old losing its diaper is "cute" and brings out the "mothering" instinct....they want to pull your pants UP, not OFF!!

Butt crack just isn't "sexy" when shown above bulging boxers with ducky and horsey and balloon or smiley patterns, or even dragons and pants that are just plain two sizes too large. They used to call it "plumber's crack". LOL. At least plumbers had a reason...they have to bend and fold themselves up in cramped quarters to do their work so belts and pants that don't leave room in the crotch really cramp their style. But they pulled them up when they got out from under the sink.

Not to mention that guys have to walk somewhat like a disabled duck just to keep them on at all.

Its not even "gansta" anymore. SouthernMan, I disagree about the prison/anal sex theory of the inspiration of this fad. First, in prison, "willingness" has nothing whatsoever to do with whether you will be the recipient of anal sex. Second, if a prisoner DOES want to indicate willingness for anal sex, all they have to do is say so. Its not like polite society in there, where you have to tap your foot in the rest room in specific patterns or wear certain clothing to indicate specific things, like say, when you are out in "polite" society in an airport restroom. LOL.

The original inspiration was mostly the "gangsta rap" fad. Which is not a very good inspiration either, granted. The original Gangsta inspiration for saggy pants was the idea that one could hang or strap guns, knives, or a lot of drugs in their crotch area without creating a suspicious "bulge" (reasonable cause to search) in the clothing. But that doesn't really work out too well for REAL gangstas. The "gangsta rappers" made it main stream by wearing their pants like that in music videos.

REAL gangstas probably found out fast that if a cop really wants to toss you, he/she's going to toss you whether or not they have to make up a "reasonable cause" after or if they find something.
And REAL ganstas would have found out real fast also that you can't run faster than the cops when you got the crotch of your pants around your knees and pant legs dangling beyond your feet.

But to use a police vehicle, gas and police time to ride around giving "indecency" warnings to everybody showing porky pig boxer shorts and a half inch of butt crack? Much less actually arresting people (or even handing out appearance tickets) and putting them through the whole process ... meaning even more expense for court appearance, public defender (most teens are eligible for "free" public defender representation paid for by taxpayers) and prosecution time, sentencing, likely legal challenges to the law that makes this "obscene" ? What the heck is this guy thinking?

I have a suggestion for some enterprising young Saggy Pants in Flint ..something you could do in the furtherance of freedom to dress like the village idiot (which I support in general, with one exception discussed below.

Do a little research into the cost of enforcement, from the verbal warnings stage right through all the stages to and including constitutional challenge to the law. Then write up an article about it and publish it online and in the letters to the editor of local papers. Compare the costs to those of something "real", like answering family violence police calls, checking locks, doors and windows on commercial businesses to make sure they are secure, checking out adults hanging around grade schools and daycare playgrounds to see if they might be drug dealers or pervs, or patrolling streets in high crime neighborhoods or where there are a lot of muggings. These are police activities that are useful in preventing REAL crimes.
"Boxer short- butt crack busts" will cost the taxpayers just as much or more and divert resources from the real stuff.

Besides, passing a law against it or enforcing "public decency" laws against the baggy pants fad is just going to bring it up to the forefront. The fad should be just about OVER. Its been happening for fifteen years, or more now....that's an awful long time, and frankly, even here in this cultural backwater of the world where I live, (It took YEARS for bell bottoms to reach here) its BEEN over for awhile. Doesn't say much for Flint's cultural awareness, does it? But something else is about due as a new dress fad as the last of the saggy pants generation reach adulthood. (Please, please, please, let it be something more interesting, attractive and fun to look at, at least). How about TV? TV is fun.

BTW, I FULLY support any business owner (mall, restaurant, store, you name it) or school, public or private, or other building and property owners, including public buildings such as city hall, etc, owner in establishing a dress code that prohibits people on their premises dressed in saggy pants that hang beyond their feet.

Not for "appearance" reasons, or "indecency" reasons, but for safety reasons. Someone dressed in these could easily trip and fall, then would probably turn around and sue the property owner for not telling him he shouldn't wear pants that make it difficult to walk, go up and down stairs or could get caught in the elevator or escalator. I support them setting these rules for the same reason I support their ability and common sense in insisting on shoes in their establishments. To reduce accident risk and potential liability. I'd support a law that blocked any person wearing such pants from suing anyone for a fall down accident or any kind of accident where clothing got caught in machinery. Automatic liability for anyone wearing pants like this who got in an accident while driving a car, motorcycle or bicycle.

But if such laws were passed so others won't be held responsible for accidents that happen because you don't know how to dress yourself without help, then go for it. So long as you're on your own. You want to faw down, go boom, like when you were two and mommy wasn't there to pull up your training pants after your first toidy experience you did all by yourself, that should be your problem.

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Phil Collins--In the Air Tonight

The grotesque appearance of many of these guys is what makes it indecent - like fat broads wearing spandex and halter tops.

I have no problem with that, though the white guy with the big hole in his ear lobes is a bit much.

Agreed, especially when the pants are down below the buttocks so that it makes the guy walk funny.

Again, I don't have a problem with those.

It's the unaesthetic part that makes it indecent.

Except when the fat chicks started wearing them.

The "almost" is part of what made it sexy.

I think I missed that one.

Agreed. For that matter, there's nothing sexy about thong underwear either.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Wow herasday, you sure WERE inspired. That was a terrific post and I really enjoyed reading it.

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Speak for yourself there buddy. I happen to find women in thongs quite appealing...as long as they have the shape to carry it.

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The law perverted! And the police powers of the state perverted along with it! The law, I say, not only turned from its proper purpose but made to follow an entirely contrary purpose! The law become the weapon of every kind of greed! Instead of checking crime, the law itself guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish! - Frederick Bastiat

Sorry, the idea of having a strip of cloth running inside the crack of one's buttocks just doesn't do it for me.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

WHAT?!?!?!?!?!

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"I find no black men appealing, they look like giant monkeys." -LilithIshtar (some member of another forum I used to be part of)

Dallas Voice :: Stooping to the down low

THONG, mic. A tiny isosceles triangle of fabric hooked together almost like a panty, but instead of fabric, there's just strings. The triangle goes in front, with the long point down. One string goes around the waist (or whatever point on the hip that passes for a waist, and attaches across the short side of the triangle at the top. The other string attaches from the long point of the triangle, and runs between the legs and up the crack of the butt to the "waist". Like a string bikini bottom except more so...or maybe less so would be more accurate. LOL. Both men and women wear thongs. I think they look pretty awful on both, even if they do have a good build. I can't help but think about how it must feel. Like a permanent "wedgie".

Doesn't do it for me, either, Chan. But its still more attractive than boxer shorts bagging out over oversized saggy pants and showing a bit of hairy butt crack. At least guys who wear thongs tend to be well built so there isn't fat hanging over the top of the thong. Not so with saggy pants guys.

Thong video...funny. On topic. "In the eye of the beholder" theme.

YouTube - Thong droping

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"I was there and I saw what you did.... saw it with my own two eyes"
Phil Collins--In the Air Tonight