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View Poll Results: What should the legal drinking age be?
16 1 5.26%
18 9 47.37%
21 5 26.32%
25 1 5.26%
No legal limit 3 15.79%
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:08 PM
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I would say that it is government's job to protect people from making potentially fatal mistakes...

However, the drinking age doesn't magically stop underage drinking.

So they're failing and the law should be removed.
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:12 PM
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I would say that it is government's job to protect people from making potentially fatal mistakes...
Uhhhh......can you show me where that has ever been the case historically?
How can 'government' protect someone against themselves?
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:14 PM
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I would say that it is government's job to protect people from making potentially fatal mistakes...
No, actually, the government does not have the authority to protect people from themselves.

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However, the drinking age doesn't magically stop underage drinking.

So they're failing and the law should be removed.
Do you realize just how damned STUPID this sounds???? Your idiotic argument (and that of the idiot professors) is that since people aren't obeying the law, the law should be repealed. Let's see how far we can take that stupidity, shall we?

People murder anyway, so let's repeal laws against murder.

People rape anyway, so let's repeal laws against rape.

People extort anyway, so let's repeal laws against extortion.

People steal anyway, so let's repeal laws against stealing.

And on and on it goes.

While I don't think government has any business legislating for or against what substances people choose to ingest, trying to repeal a law just because people don't obey it is really stupid.
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Old 08-22-2008, 12:23 PM
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Do you realize just how damned STUPID this sounds???? Your idiotic argument (and that of the idiot professors) is that since people aren't obeying the law, the law should be repealed. Let's see how far we can take that stupidity, shall we?
It is the same argument used to repeal prohibition. I disagree with their argument but would agree with the outcome. The fed.gov has no authority to regulate the age of enablement (except for voting).
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It is to the right wingers who want to inflict their morality and religion and heavy handed ideals on the rest of us. They want to control a woman's uterus, a gay man's sex life, and a comatose dying woman's time of death.

And the Democrats want to force their egalitarian bull**** notions down our throats by regulating our economy to the point where its impossible to make a buck. You want to regulate my health care, regulate my retirement, hell, you push your agenda into my life more strongly than the GOP. I can IGNORE laws against underage drinking (well, I COULD several years ago anyway), I can't ignore taxes deducted from my paycheck to pay for programs that "help those who need it". How can you possibly criticize the GOP for pushing morality on people when the DNC has been forcing people to be charitible since FDR? Hypocrites one and all.

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It is the same argument used to repeal prohibition. I disagree with their argument but would agree with the outcome. The fed.gov has no authority to regulate the age of enablement (except for voting).
They don't, states do because they're whores for federal highway funds.
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They don't put reasons into the laws. Pick up an anatomy book, while most organs mature at childhood (like the kidneys and heart), some don't mature until later in life, like the liver (approx 21) and the brain (approx 23).



It's not about what is "fair," it is about what is physically happening with the human body. Sorry that life is not fair. Whether they change the age limit or not that does not effect how your body develops.
What an adult does with his liver is his choice.


Edit: or her.
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Do you realize just how damned STUPID this sounds???? Your idiotic argument (and that of the idiot professors) is that since people aren't obeying the law, the law should be repealed. Let's see how far we can take that stupidity, shall we?

People murder anyway, so let's repeal laws against murder.

People rape anyway, so let's repeal laws against rape.

People extort anyway, so let's repeal laws against extortion.

People steal anyway, so let's repeal laws against stealing.

And on and on it goes.

While I don't think government has any business legislating for or against what substances people choose to ingest, trying to repeal a law just because people don't obey it is really stupid.
You already tried this exact same argument and it got shot down.

All of the crimes you mentioned are crimes that one person commits against another person.

Underage drinking and illegal drug use is something you do to yourself.

Big difference.
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You already tried this exact same argument and it got shot down.

All of the crimes you mentioned are crimes that one person commits against another person.

Underage drinking and illegal drug use is something you do to yourself.

Big difference.
You must've missed the part where he said the government has no place regulating consumption of anything, including alcohol.

He agrees with you, but your rationale of "it's not working, so repeal the law" is idiotic.
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You already tried this exact same argument and it got shot down.

All of the crimes you mentioned are crimes that one person commits against another person.

Underage drinking and illegal drug use is something you do to yourself.

Big difference.
Laws are laws and the argument remains valid. It doesn't matter whether we're talking about drinking age or murder: it's still STUPID for you to argue that a law should be repealed simply because people disobey the law.

There are valid reasons for eliminating the very concept of drinking age but your idiotic argument (and that of the professors in question) isn't one of them.
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