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Old 07-01-2008, 10:42 AM
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The only solution is to stop voting for Democrats and Republicans and to follow the advice of the founding fathers not to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations.
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Old 07-02-2008, 01:51 AM
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The only solution is to stop voting for Democrats and Republicans and to follow the advice of the founding fathers not to interfere in the internal affairs of other nations.
I agree with the point that we interfere to much in the affairs of other nations but can you imagine what would happen if we didn't? We think that people hate us now, imagine if we stopped helping others. That would simply enrage everyone else even more. We are truly damned if we do and damned if we don't.
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Old 07-02-2008, 06:07 AM
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We are hated as Americans in the world generally because of the Iraq War, GITMO, and our interventionism worldwide. In short, BUSH.

First and foremost, America needs to rehab after Bush and Cheney. We need to close Guantanamo and reaffirm our commitment to the Geneva Conventions.

Ron Paul has his speeches and articles archived on the internet. He has been the one that has focused on the main issue, our interventionism in the world. We are basically everywhere in the world with military bases using a carrot stick approach of foreign aid or threat of our military intervention. We are promoting the American Empire agenda throughout the world. And if we don't stop we will go bankrupt.

As critical as it is to have a fresh start after Bush leaves office, we need to purge government of all neo cons. They are the ones that have been directly responsible for our interventionist foreign policy.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:22 AM
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I agree with the point that we interfere to much in the affairs of other nations but can you imagine what would happen if we didn't? We think that people hate us now, imagine if we stopped helping others. That would simply enrage everyone else even more. We are truly damned if we do and damned if we don't.
We can freely trade with other nations and have friendly relations with them but I'm going to stick with certain of the founding fathers who advised against interfering with the internal affairs of other countries and against entangling alliances.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:25 AM
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We are hated as Americans in the world generally because of the Iraq War, GITMO, and our interventionism worldwide. In short, BUSH.
Our interventionism has been going on since at least the end of World War II.

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First and foremost, America needs to rehab after Bush and Cheney. We need to close Guantanamo and reaffirm our commitment to the Geneva Conventions.
And it isn't going to happen as long as either a Democrat or a Republican gets elected.

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Ron Paul has his speeches and articles archived on the internet. He has been the one that has focused on the main issue, our interventionism in the world. We are basically everywhere in the world with military bases using a carrot stick approach of foreign aid or threat of our military intervention. We are promoting the American Empire agenda throughout the world. And if we don't stop we will go bankrupt.
Agreed, but until people stop voting for Democrats and Republicans, nothing will change.

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As critical as it is to have a fresh start after Bush leaves office, we need to purge government of all neo cons. They are the ones that have been directly responsible for our interventionist foreign policy.
Well, getting rid of the neo-cons at the cabinet level is easy enough if Obama gets elected but it's the neo-cons deeply entrenched in the various deputy undersecretary for this or that jobs that will be harder to dislodge.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:33 AM
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What's the odds i get called a communist first
Damn commie! Now, who's gonna be second?

I have to agree with my comrade here, foreign policy is not dictated by the people, but by industry and business in its countrol over government. However that's to say a voter can't do anythign, a vote for a socialist candidate would soon sort out your foreign policy solution.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:35 AM
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We are hated as Americans in the world generally because of the Iraq War, GITMO, and our interventionism worldwide. In short, BUSH.
I disagree, I don't hate Americans but I hate American foreign policy stretching way back, since after WW2 certainly nothing been done by Bush now is any different or more surprising than has already been done previously.

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Old 07-02-2008, 09:15 AM
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I disagree, I don't hate Americans but I hate American foreign policy stretching way back, since after WW2 certainly nothing been done by Bush now is any different or more surprising than has already been done previously.

Sorry to get rid of your dog.
Even before then they were invading Cuba and making military adventures.
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Old 07-02-2008, 09:26 AM
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Even before then they were invading Cuba and making military adventures.
Yes, though to be fair at that time it was most of Europe aswell, it doesn't excuse it but now I can point to many western countries with a decent foreign policy, at least in comparison to the US.
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Old 07-02-2008, 11:45 AM
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I agree with the point that we interfere to much in the affairs of other nations but can you imagine what would happen if we didn't? We think that people hate us now, imagine if we stopped helping others. That would simply enrage everyone else even more. We are truly damned if we do and damned if we don't.
There is a deep difference between non interventionism and non involvement.
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