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Old 06-29-2008, 12:28 AM
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The premise of the thread was would you shoot someone that
has a gun on you and you have time to draw and shoot them.

If they have time to draw and shoot I can have them down from 5 feet away.

You can keep coming up with stupid scenarios but that has nothing to do with the thread.
The point is that with range you would most likely would not be able to charge and disarm. It does not take very much time at all to pull and shoot.
Putting them a few steps away from you, not your 5 feet, means you are done for.
Simply the gun beats martial arts.

For the premise of the thread yes I would shoot someone that pulled a gun on me.




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You talk about guns like some kid that has seen to many dirty harry movies.
Talk to me when you have seen a gun in your face or have had people shooting at you.

Aikido teaches you to master your fear and to protect yourself with as little harm to the fool messing with you as is possible.

A gun while efficient teaches you nothing and no matter how many times you say it isn't is a deadly weapon. You can come up with all the crap you want but when your lungs are filling with blood from a bullet wound then talk about it just being used to wound.

I recommend giving your money to the guy with the gun.
Becuase life even some punks life is worth more then the cash in your wallet.
I talk like someone that knows the capabilities of a gun. As I said it depends on where you get hit. You get hit in the lungs heart brain or arteries you are in trouble, same with any wound. Get a shoot in the side hitting no vitals you are in no real danger. A gun is a tool I do not need it to teach me anything.

I never said it was not a deadly weapon. Labeling it a deadly weapon is not saying much though. Most objects can be deadly weapons. The human body can easily be a deadly weapon.

Do not be so overconfident in your aikido. Mostly a gun will overpower any martial art.

I would say do not rob people your life is worth more than risking it for a few bucks.
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Well unlike you I have had to face down guns and knifes.

I also know what guns can do and you still sound like a cheerleader for death.
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Well unlike you I have had to face down guns and knifes.

I also know what guns can do and you still sound like a cheerleader for death.
A cheerleader for death that is creative.
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A cheerleader for death that is creative.
Thanks I try.
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Thanks I try.
We disagree that is fine enough. I do not know about you but this argument feels all to familar. I think just letting this one go is fine enough.

I really wish more insults were like that... That one made me smile.
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Lol. He didn't actually say that you were a cheerleader for death, but that you sound like one.

Honestly, some people in this thread do seem to take a rather hasty, callous view towards killing someone.
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I voted no.

Not only is it highly unlikely that I would have a gun, have the presence of mind to beat him to the draw, unstrap it, take the safety off, aim it at a nonlethal part, and actually shoot it, but the chances that I'd be so panicked as to completely miss or actually kill the guy over the inconvenience of a few bucks would be racing through my mind enough to probably freeze me into relative inaction.

Just being realistic. And, wow, I am nowhere near as bloodthirsty as some of you all. The tough-guy Rambo fantasies really worry me.
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I voted no.

Not only is it highly unlikely that I would have a gun, have the presence of mind to beat him to the draw, unstrap it, take the safety off, aim it at a nonlethal part, and actually shoot it, but the chances that I'd be so panicked as to completely miss or actually kill the guy over the inconvenience of a few bucks would be racing through my mind enough to probably freeze me into relative inaction.

Just being realistic. And, wow, I am nowhere near as bloodthirsty as some of you all. The tough-guy Rambo fantasies really worry me.
The vast majority of people would react much like you have described
and the smartest and safest thing to do is just give the person your money
and move on.

The vast majority of murders are from people known by the victim and most often from family members. Rambo fantasies have little to do with reality.
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I voted no.

Not only is it highly unlikely that I would have a gun, have the presence of mind to beat him to the draw, unstrap it, take the safety off, aim it at a nonlethal part, and actually shoot it, but the chances that I'd be so panicked as to completely miss or actually kill the guy over the inconvenience of a few bucks would be racing through my mind enough to probably freeze me into relative inaction.

Just being realistic. And, wow, I am nowhere near as bloodthirsty as some of you all. The tough-guy Rambo fantasies really worry me.
They guy is threatening your life here. There is still a chance he will kill you anyway. If a guy pointed a gun at a cop would you say the cop was "bloodthristy"? This is simply protecting yourself.
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Yeah, sure you did. The question says "if robbed at gunpoint". That means he has his gun pointed square at you, if you reach for yours you will get shot, so nice thinking.
My hands were in my pockets and I took the first shot through my coat.
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