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Old 07-01-2008, 10:21 PM
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As soon as he points that gun at me, it's self defense. If I had any chance at all, I would shoot. I'd shoot to wound, but I would shoot nonetheless.
Remember that a wounded robber can still fire a gun at you. Life and death is the game you must win. Two to the body and one to the head. No mercy...

In addition, if you want to avoid someone from stealing your potato chips, make sure to sneeze on them real hard. That will avoid any issues. :azn:
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:01 PM
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Thats kinda hard, does the robber have a gun? If they have a gun then I might shoot them, if they don't than thats not really fair, cause I could probably just scare him off with a kitchen knife or something. It would also depend on how far he came into the house and where I lived. If I was out in the country, no one else was home and some dude tried to rob my house and actually got in, yes I would shoot him. Only in the foot though, unless he had a gun, then I'd go for Kill.
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:50 PM
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Do you know how hard it is to shoot someone in the foot? Hitting a moving target as small as someone's foot or kneecap, anywhere on their extremities, even at close range, is nigh impossible for any but the best shooters. The basic rule of thumb is, aim for the center of mass, the torso. It's the easiest part of the body to hit, and hitting them there is almost guaranteed to incapacitate them. If you are shooting to kill, aim high, in the chest, to hit the heart or lungs. If you're shooting to wound, shoot low, in the belly, preferably to one side. If you hit them square in the belly you're likely to hit the stomach or intestines, which could easily cause a fatal infection. Aim to one side slightly if you can to hit the kidneys or liver--you can live without those for a short time (hours) and can get a transplant if they can't be saved.

Jeez, all this talking about shooting the foot or knee, you'd think you people never fired at anything but paper or cans before.
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Old 07-01-2008, 11:59 PM
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Remember that a wounded robber can still fire a gun at you. Life and death is the game you must win. Two to the body and one to the head. No mercy...
Unless the guy is hopped up on drugs, I think a bullet in the kidney would probably incapacitate him, at least long enough to knock him over and get his gun away. Maybe. As I've said, I've never been in a situation like that and don't plan to.

Now, if he was hopped up on coke or meth or something, no problem, doubletap to the upper chest. But that shot to the head... eh. I don't think a jury would like that, you might get murder, manslaughter at the least. Once the guy is incapacitated, it's no longer self-defense, and any more harm you do to him is a felony.

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In addition, if you want to avoid someone from stealing your potato chips, make sure to sneeze on them real hard. That will avoid any issues. :azn:
Sorry, I don't like my chips with bugger sauce.
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Old 07-02-2008, 08:23 AM
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Do you know how hard it is to shoot someone in the foot? Hitting a moving target as small as someone's foot or kneecap, anywhere on their extremities, even at close range, is nigh impossible for any but the best shooters. The basic rule of thumb is, aim for the center of mass, the torso. It's the easiest part of the body to hit, and hitting them there is almost guaranteed to incapacitate them. If you are shooting to kill, aim high, in the chest, to hit the heart or lungs. If you're shooting to wound, shoot low, in the belly, preferably to one side. If you hit them square in the belly you're likely to hit the stomach or intestines, which could easily cause a fatal infection. Aim to one side slightly if you can to hit the kidneys or liver--you can live without those for a short time (hours) and can get a transplant if they can't be saved.

Jeez, all this talking about shooting the foot or knee, you'd think you people never fired at anything but paper or cans before.
Or just allow your stuff to be stolen and realise that a human life is more important than possessions, if the robber poses an immediate danger to yuor safety self-defence is acceptable of course btu if not...
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Or just allow your stuff to be stolen and realise that a human life is more important than possessions, if the robber poses an immediate danger to yuor safety self-defence is acceptable of course btu if not...
Well, it's quite obvious to me that your life means nothing to the robber, since he's quite willing to kill you for the money in your wallet. I'm a firm believer in "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If someone threatens my life, I have no qualms of returning the sentiment. I don't give a crap about the money in my wallet, but no one threatens my life or the life of someone I hold dear.

And if the robber dies, well... Think of it as evolution in action.
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In addition, if you want to avoid someone from stealing your potato chips, make sure to sneeze on them real hard. That will avoid any issues. :azn:
Depends if they like guacamole or not......
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Well, it's quite obvious to me that your life means nothing to the robber, since he's quite willing to kill you for the money in your wallet. I'm a firm believer in "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If someone threatens my life, I have no qualms of returning the sentiment. I don't give a crap about the money in my wallet, but no one threatens my life or the life of someone I hold dear.

And if the robber dies, well... Think of it as evolution in action.
Yeah, I believe in "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" which means I'm not too keen on shooting people, I have few qualms with reasonable self-defense but I would not support killing a robber as he is not their to kill you, just to steal from you.
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Jeez, all this talking about shooting the foot or knee, you'd think you people never fired at anything but paper or cans before.
I never have shot a gun! Too Scary. That being said It would be hard to shoot someone in the foot. I've always assumed though that being shot anywere in the torso would kill you. Thats a good thing to know though about the stomach area.

I do think leviathon435 has a good point though, if the robber doesn't have a gun theres no reason to shoot him, unless he is trying to hurt you. If it's going to do you more harm by trying to stop him, then let him take your stuff, almost everything is replaceable, and something very valuable to you is most likely locked up, on you, or something the robber would have no use in taking. For me it would be mementos from my wedding, and the only truly valuable thing is my wedding ring, which rarely leaves my ring finger.
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Old 07-02-2008, 07:31 PM
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Well, it's quite obvious to me that your life means nothing to the robber, since he's quite willing to kill you for the money in your wallet. I'm a firm believer in "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." If someone threatens my life, I have no qualms of returning the sentiment. I don't give a crap about the money in my wallet, but no one threatens my life or the life of someone I hold dear.

And if the robber dies, well... Think of it as evolution in action.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" is a code of acting, not a code of revenge. It is not "do to other's what they have done to you."

By you saying that you're a firm believer in that and that you would shoot them (not you don't seem too bothered should you kill them), then you wouldn't mind if someone shot and killed you.

So based on that, I believe you are only thinking about revenge, and use that slogan as justification to do so.


If they are there to rob me, I let them rob me so long as they don't treaten me in anyway. I keep my gun loaded, and I listen, maybe even watch through a crack in the door. Gather as much info as a I can and inform the police of everything that I can. Like license plate number, height, weight, which direction they left, as much as possible.
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