If you were being robbed... - Page 13 - Political Fever

Donkey Jote · #**121** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:00 PM

Jester, the idea was originally brought up in this post

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Originally Posted by Space_Coyote

Children, please, knock it off.

If you have a gun in your chest (since muggers aren't known to stand far away from you), you're not going to pull your piece, since it takes far less time to move a trigger 1/2 an inch than it does for you to draw, align, and fire. Only the bad guy knows when the violence will start, that's what makes him the bad guy.

Aikido, judo, taekwondo, all useless in this situation. Again, no matter how fast or badass you THINK you are, in a gunfight, the guy with the gun has a 100% chance of winning, you will lose. Let's not pretend like our dicks are bigger than they really are.

If I'm packing, the guy has taken my money, and I believe I am about to be shot anyway, then yeah, I'm going to go for my gun (die standing up, as it were), no brainer. The smarter thing to do would be to hand over your money, and when he turns to leave, either draw and put a gun on him (thus evening the odds) or jump him and try to gain control of his weapon. Your property is YOURS, and his life is forefit the second he tries to take it, but you need to be smart about it.

I took issue with this.

I see no difference between physical theft and electronic theft. It is someone taking your property.

Skerlnik · #**122** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

There is a big difference between being robbed (as your OP suggests) and electronic theft via computer. Asking if you would shoot someone for electronic theft has nothing to do with shooting someone if they are robbing you. Apples and oranges.

There is a BIG difference. You cannot be robbed on the internet. If you understood what the term "robbed" actually was, then it would help you understand that what you are proposing does not make sense. The act of robbery entails taking anothers property under the threat of violence or intimidation. Internet theft is a different beast.

I agree. Internet theft entails you actually being stupid enough to type in your CC digits, clicking "I Agree".

Donkey Jote · #**123** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Skerlnik

I agree. Internet theft entails you actually being stupid enough to type in your CC digits, clicking "I Agree".

There are a million different hypotheticals that involve someone taking your possessions without threatening you physically.

Any equivocations are simply dodging the point.

Skerlnik · #**124** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:11 PM

Well, what I take issue with is Coyote's valuation of property over life, and that theft earns swift, fatal retribution. Not sure I can follow down that rabbit hole.

I'd hate to get a .45 slug in the chest for reaching over and grabbing a potato chip off SC's plate at the barbeque......seems a tad extreme.

AHFN · #**125** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:13 PM

If someone is robbing you at gunpoint, you should definitely let him take your money. After all, the robber's life is worth more than a few bucks. And ladies, if a man wants to rape you, just let him. After all, his life is worth more than your self-respect, good health (what's so bad about AIDS?), and the chance of you getting pregnent. Hell, if someone wants to murder you, just let him do it. After all, he is a human being and we must show him the same respect we would show any other person.

Or, not.

If a man pulls a gun on me, he is threatening my life. He is threatening to kill me. He isn't just waving that gun around to look fancy. As soon as he points that gun at me, it's self defense. If I had any chance at all, I would shoot. I'd shoot to wound, but I would shoot nonetheless.

Skerlnik · #**126** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:16 PM

Perhaps another, more specific poll/thread can be made as to whether you would KILL for property, or not?

Theft/robbery is typically punished via loss of freedom (i.e. prison), but actually murdering someone over stealing from you, I think, goes way, way too far. If boosting a stereo is a capital offense, we might need to reassess our priorities, a bit.

Skerlnik · #**127** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by AHFN

And ladies, if a man wants to rape you, just let him. After all, his life is worth more than your self-respect, good health (what's so bad about AIDS?), and the chance of you getting pregnent. Hell, if someone wants to murder you, just let him do it. After all, he is a human being and we must show him the same respect we would show any other person.

Now, you're just being silly.

AHFN · #**128** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skerlnik

Now, you're just being silly.

Please appreciate the snide, blunt sarcasm.

Skerlnik · #**129** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 07:54 PM

Got past my detector, I guess. Good parody of the way these arguments slippery-slope their way into absurdity, though!

AHFN · #**130** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 08:51 PM

Of course, I don't carry. I stay out of areas where I'm likely to be mugged, and I don't want the weight (physical or mental) of carrying around my .45 prepared to shoot. However, if, for some reason, I was carrying a firearm and was held at gun or knifepoint, I'd have no compunctions about shooting the SOB in the gut. Afterwards, I'd probably feel bad, and to tell the truth I'd probably freeze up anyway. But if someone threatens me with deadly force, I believe I have the right to respond in kind if I so choose, and to act upon that threat if I believe that he will act upon his threat.

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