I'm staunchly opposed to mandatory vaccinations and here are some examples that show why people who are so gung ho about forced vaccinations should take a second look.
Vaccines suppress the immune system, thereby making one vulnerable to other illnesses. There have been numerous cases where a perfectly healthy individual went downhill and even died shortly after receiving vaccinations. I personally know a woman who had a healthy baby - until the baby received her shots. Now that baby is a young woman who has suffered from seizures ever since she received her baby shots. Right after she graduated from high school she came down with cancer.

Look at the high cancer rates now and look at the cancer rates before mandatory vaccinations were instituted. Of course the poisoning of our food chain with toxic chemicals plays a role, but an immune system suppressed by vaccines may be a contributing factor.

Some people can come up with literature saying that vaccinations are perfectly safe while others will come up with literature that shows the exact opposite. This shows that this issue isn't strictly black and white and that there are some questions about the safety of vaccines. Therefore, this isn't an issue that should be mandated by the government. Each person should have the right to weigh the pros and cons and make the decision for him or herself.

After all, isn't that what true freedom is all about?

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And yet there are so many people (many of them here in this forum) who will insist we are paranoid or conspiracy nuts for objecting to their sick, perverted notion that government should force people to vaccinate their children or to subject their children to medical procedures or to government-run schools, etc.

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"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

I grew up thinking innoculation was a good thing, a boon to society that has prevented untold deaths. That programs vaccination pretty much wiped out polio, smallpox, etc.

I don't really have a dog in this fight, and I've already said my piece in another thread, but I'll be reading along.

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Innoculation is not the same thing as vaccination.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

My problem with vaccinations is that they lower your tolerance to diseases. The best way to fight a disease is to build up your immune system the natural way. With vaccinations, stronger "vaccine resistant" diseases are made and they effect the human body in worse ways.

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Where is the evidence that they lower your immune system response to other diseases?


Moreover, some of the articles above, after reading them, are filled with weasel words like "maybe" and "may," without actually saying anything. Other times, it talks about pregnancy. A lot of innocuous things can harm pregnant women's children. That doesn't mean you shouldn't get vaccinated after it's over. Problems stemming from vaccination are rare indeed and no reason to opt out unless medical professionals indicate the risk is high enough for you.

Once in a while, sh*t happens. Oh well. That's the cost of a healthy, safe society. I guarantee that prior to vaccination, deaths and sickness were far higher. Vaccines have virtually destroyed the most horrific communicable diseases. The problem is, as I said in the other thread: people have grown lazy and complacent and ignorant. They don't understand what it was like before the vaccines, thus they think there will be no problem if they destroy the effectiveness of the vaccine by allowing anyone to opt out any time. This is foolish. Look what it was like BEFORE vaccines. Then you will change your tune.

The one individual doesn't matter much anyway. Again, the safety of the majority is what matters most. The more people who opt out of the system, the more risk they pose to the rest of society, the more likely it is that people will get sick or worse, die. Unlike the rare risk to the individual, this risk to others is significant when enough opt out. As I showed, a decrease in the measles vaccinations due to "opting out" caused an outbreak. It was a disaster.

You cannot allow wanton opting out because it will lower the herd immunity too much and negate the benefits of the vaccines. I don't frankly care if it kills or hurts a few people in the process. The ends are justified.

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I agree with Techno, there is very little, if any, credible scientific evidence suggesting vaccinations are bad for you. Any sane-thinking person will realise that vaccines are quite frankly the Earthly equivalent of a miracle eradicating diseases entirely when used properly. The problem is that there are a lot of idiotic people out there, I'm thinking especially parents, so relevant vaccines for children at least should be compulsory.

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So, you're another one of those that has blind faith in science. Notice what you said: "scientific evidence." Why the hell does it have to be "scientific"? What the hell is science that it is entitled to unquestioned obedience????

Of course, you people believe that the universe just sort of magically by random chance came into existence all by itself - yeah, like I'm going to take you seriously!

Notice something Techno said, "Moreover, some of the articles above, after reading them, are filled with weasel words like "maybe" and "may," without actually saying anything." So, it's okay for science to use "weasel words" like "maybe," "possibly," and others but no one else can?

You stupidly said, "The problem is that there are a lot of idiotic people out there, I'm thinking especially parents." I hope that you have kids some day and they take that attitude toward every damned word you say to them!

Lumara presented what can be considered anecdotal evidence. At the very least, this warrants further study.

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A panda walks into a cafe. He orders a sandwich, eats it, then draws a gun and fires two shots in the air.

"Why?" asks the confused waiter, as the panda makes toward the exit. The panda produces a badly punctuated wildlife manual and tosses it over his shoulder.

"I'm a panda," he says at the door. "Look it up."

The waiter turns to the relevant entry and, sure enough, finds an explanation.

"Panda. Large black-and-white bear-like mammal, native to China. Eats, shoots and leaves."

Moreover, the whole "vaccines suppress your immune system" is nonsense anyway. It's a myth propagated by anti-vaccine literature. It's not actually true. I wish people would learn to read credible sources for medical information instead of blogs, newspaper articles that exaggerate to sell stuff, and special interest internet crap promoting crackpot agendas. It just spreads ignorance and makes the problem worse. The only sources that pop up when I type this myth in are quack sites selling alternative medicine or special interest "natural cures" pages. Sorry, I dismiss them automatically.

http://www.sasvrc.qld.gov.au/Assets/...%20Illness.pdf

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