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Regardless of their future prospects for being drafted, children are not members of the armed services and therefore are not legitimate military targets.

and yet we kill thousands of them every year in Iraq and Afghanistan... got cluster bombs? got depleted uranium? got white phosphorus?

got collateral damage?
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There come serious problems when someone desides that they are going to act on "what ifs" and "possibilities" especially when it involves killing and mass destruction.
unless of course, it is surgical airstrikes aimed at Iran, then I suppose you think it is ok...
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Overall, I think the era of the "honorable" war is over.
yep... It would appear to be so, skerlnik... we now have a war on a noun... terra...

no front lines, no uniforms, no rules of engagement, no treaties...

just an all out war on terra...
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Old 06-20-2008, 03:13 PM
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From what I have heard, Iraq is like Vietnam in the sense that you can't trust anything. That's what I mean by war being fundamentally different, now.
correct... both were occupied countries... with no front lines... and a civilian insurgency that could very well be working with you in the daytime and try to kill you at night...

a theoretical I love asking...

if your country was invaded by a superior force, your infrastructure destroyed, your citizens killed or maimed, your own friends and family included, your leaders killed or captured...

would you...
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But that is because this is no longer a war, it is an occupation. remember when the war first started and was actually a war? We swept across the dessert and fought against Saddam's army, then it was an actual war and things weren't so "hazy." That's the difference between a war and an occupation.
people are dying, OE... on both sides...

what do you call it? fun and friggin games in the desert?
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unless of course, it is surgical airstrikes aimed at Iran, then I suppose you think it is ok...
Actually, I don't think surgical airstrikes against Iran are okay, you misread that thread, and please don't take this one off topic with that.
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people are dying, OE... on both sides...

what do you call it? fun and friggin games in the desert?
I call it an occupation (as I already said), just because people are dying doesn't make it a war. People die from lightning strikes, that doesn't mean that we are at war with lightning.
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remember when the war first started and was actually a war?
Vaguely. So long ago, I suspect that's an old wives tale.....
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I call it an occupation (as I already said), just because people are dying doesn't make it a war. People die from lightning strikes, that doesn't mean that we are at war with lightning.
What constitutes a war, for you?
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a theoretical I love asking...

if your country was invaded by a superior force, your infrastructure destroyed, your citizens killed or maimed, your own friends and family included, your leaders killed or captured...

would you...
a) collaborate with the occupiers?
or would you...
b) fight back with every fiber of your being?
or...
c) both.
B, then A if it got hopeless. Fight like hell, then assimilate if it became obvious fighting would be pointless. Maybe try to weasel into the occupied structure and act as a termite from within......yes....yes....excellent....

The terms "insurgent" or "freedom fighter" are completely dependent on one's point of view. If the American Revolution were fought today, Britain would classify us as "terrorists", wouldn't they?
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