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Old 06-20-2008, 10:26 AM
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Why ? They are the soldiers of tomorrow ?

What is it that makes them not legitimate targets.

*note i actually agree with you, i am merely trying to broaden philosophical thinking and find on what foundations your stance rests upon.
Regardless of their future prospects for being drafted, children are not members of the armed services and therefore are not legitimate military targets.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:38 AM
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Even in a country without conscription, every one is a potential soldier unless they are for some reason explicitly prohibited from joining the military.

So, no.
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Old 06-20-2008, 10:52 AM
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There come serious problems when someone desides that they are going to act on "what ifs" and "possibilities" especially when it involves killing and mass destruction.
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Old 06-20-2008, 11:30 AM
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If a state has a constant policy of conscription, does that make every citizen a legitimate target for an enemy army ? Discuss.
Theoretically and ideally, no.

BUT, war has changed in that uniforms and easily identifiable distinctions between soldiers and civilians aren't as cut-and-dried as they used to be. (Example: Vietnam) If it's the case where anyone could be, has been, and is willing to fight in combat, but not technically be part of the Army, then things get problematic. It's not like you check IDs before you shoot someone.

Overall, I think the era of the "honorable" war is over.
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Overall, I think the era of the "honorable" war is over.
If there ever was such a thing, i certainly agree that there is no longer such events - well to the extent that the war itself may not be honourable, but one party's role could be - if you are attacked for instance.
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Well, insofar as the combatants being readily identifiable. In WW1 and 2, there was a certain understanding between soldiers, almost fraternal, and it was far more clear than now who was actually fighting.

Now, there are many countries, notably in Africa, where you'll see seven year olds with AK-47s, and "armies" don't really exist. Do you kill that seven year old? Does that child really realize what he's doing? Could you capture him as a POW? Do the Geneva conventions even address this?

From what I have heard, Iraq is like Vietnam in the sense that you can't trust anything. That's what I mean by war being fundamentally different, now.
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Well, insofar as the combatants being readily identifiable. In WW1 and 2, there was a certain understanding between soldiers, almost fraternal, and it was far more clear than now who was actually fighting.

Now, there are many countries, notably in Africa, where you'll see seven year olds with AK-47s, and "armies" don't really exist. Do you kill that seven year old? Does that child really realize what he's doing? Could you capture him as a POW? Do the Geneva conventions even address this?

From what I have heard, Iraq is like Vietnam in the sense that you can't trust anything. That's what I mean by war being fundamentally different, now.
But that is because this is no longer a war, it is an occupation. remember when the war first started and was actually a war? We swept across the dessert and fought against Saddam's army, then it was an actual war and things weren't so "hazy." That's the difference between a war and an occupation.
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No. Only those actually serving in the armed forces are legitimate targets. As an example, children may be subject to future conscription but they are not legitimate targets.

what if the army you are to be conscripted into kills the children of your opposition?
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They are not nessicarily soldiers of tomorrow, there are a lot of possibilities and unknowns, the government can change, they could leave the country. If you're fighting with them, I'd assume that means you're at war with them, so hopefully the war won't last so long that multiple generations fight. The point is, that there are so many uncertainties, that even though they have that policy, you don't know if that child will actually fight, no more than you can tell if that child would sign up for a volunteer military.
personally, just to make myself perfectly clear on this topic...

I'm in favor of Mandatory Military Service For ALL...

everyone goes... the ONLY exception are those with severe disabilities... if you can type, you can serve in some capacity here at home which will free up one more able bodied person for overseas duty...

everyone goes...

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If they commited "war crimes" in the past, then they are to be detained and tried for those crimes in a fair and just court. Only those that are current threats are allowed to be targeted, past threats and future posible threats are not.
why?

if someone from another country killed your brother, mother, father, sister, son, daughter or wife... would you just forget about it after time had passed?
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